Angel Eyes Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 After the duel with Brandon Stark and Petyr got Lysa pregnant, why didn't Hoster Tully send Petyr Baelish to the Wall? He'd caused enough disgrace for House Tully and his house in the Vale, and he'd be far away from either Tully girl to mess around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Because Lysa wouldn't call it rape and Hoster was not willing to sentence Petyr just for the hell of it. If Hoster sends Petyr home after the duel, it is just because Petyr made a fuss over Cat getting married. If Hoster sends Petyr to the Wall and Lysa won't call it rape, Hoster is admitting all the dishonor. Sweep it under the carpet and marry Lysa off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: Because Lysa wouldn't call it rape and Hoster was not willing to sentence Petyr just for the hell of it. If Hoster sends Petyr home after the duel, it is just because Petyr made a fuss over Cat getting married. If Hoster sends Petyr to the Wall and Lysa won't call it rape, Hoster is admitting all the dishonor. Sweep it under the carpet and marry Lysa off. Petyr already dishonored himself by challenging Brandon. And Hoster should have been a bit more careful about who he married Lysa off to; marrying her to Jon Arryn put her in close proximity to Petyr, and she was able to help Littlefinger's rise to power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Angel Eyes said: Petyr already dishonored himself by challenging Brandon. And Hoster should have been a bit more careful about who he married Lysa off to; marrying her to Jon Arryn put her in close proximity to Petyr, and she was able to help Littlefinger's rise to power. That is silly. Petyr challenging Brandon was just about the only honorable thing he has done in his whole life. Hoster could have suggested to Jon Arryn to not take on Petyr (he may very well have, we don't know), and Jon was nice to Petyr as a way of being nice to Lysa. Hoster also felt guilty about his handling of Lysa for much of his life, his deathbed remembrances/sadness show that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Ser Leftwich said: That is silly. Petyr challenging Brandon was just about the only honorable thing he has done in his whole life. Hoster could have suggested to Jon Arryn to not take on Petyr (he may very well have, we don't know), and Jon was nice to Petyr as a way of being nice to Lysa. Hoster also felt guilty about his handling of Lysa for much of his life, his deathbed remembrances/sadness show that out. I think it's frowned upon if a ward challenged a betrothed for a lady's hand. It would be as if Theon challenged Joffrey for Sansa's hand, how well would Ned take that? (I admit, I wouldn't mind seeing something like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfish Tully Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I doubt that Hoster Tully has the authority to send the son of a Vale Lord to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaehaerys Tyrell Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: That is silly. Petyr challenging Brandon was just about the only honorable thing he has done in his whole life. Hoster could have suggested to Jon Arryn to not take on Petyr (he may very well have, we don't know), and Jon was nice to Petyr as a way of being nice to Lysa. Hoster also felt guilty about his handling of Lysa for much of his life, his deathbed remembrances/sadness show that out. It’s very odd that Jon Arryn promoted Petyr Baelish upon Lysa’s request with the knowledge that she’d been pregnant with his child. Does anybody have an explanation for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jaehaerys Tyrell said: It’s very odd that Jon Arryn promoted Petyr Baelish upon Lysa’s request with the knowledge that she’d been pregnant with his child. Does anybody have an explanation for this? Jon may have only known that she was not a virgin, not that it was Petyr. Again, to the public, Hoster sends Petyr away because of the duel, not the sleeping with Lysa. Lysa only asks for Petyr to get a job in Gulltown/Vale, not to KL. It is only later that Robert and Jon notice his financial prowess and send for him to come to KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugorfonics Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 45 minutes ago, Ser Leftwich said: Lysa only asks for Petyr to get a job in Gulltown/Vale, not to KL. It is only later that Robert and Jon notice his financial prowess and send for him to come to KL. It was KL, and Lysa was responsible for it. . Lady Lysa ignored that. "Cat never gave you anything. It was me who got you your first post, who made Jon bring you to court so we could be close to one another. You promised me you would never forget that." . Robert and Jon were probably the ones to promote him to the SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugorfonics Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Blackfish Tully said: I doubt that Hoster Tully has the authority to send the son of a Vale Lord to the wall. Yea, why not, hes a major lord. Catelyn had the power to arrest the son of a Western Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Petyr is from Vale, if Hoster sent him to Wall, his father would complain to his liege. Besides challenging lord's son isn't crime. 4 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said: Yea, why not, hes a major lord. Catelyn had the power to arrest the son of a Western Lord And what that brought upon Seven kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 As far as the duel with Brandon Stark goes, I think Hoster just thought Petyr as a fool in love. He probably thought that once Petyr lost the duel the subject would never get brought up again. As far as having sex with Lysa, whilst it obviously hurts Lysa's chances of finding a husband, it wasn't really a crime. Its not like he raped her, in fact on the night when Catelyn got betrothed to Brandon Petyr got so drunk that he had to be helped to him chambers, and Lysa followed him in, climbed into his bed, and "gave him comfort." So if anything she raped him. It might also come down to the fact that Hoster raised him since he was a young boy, so he might have seen him as something of a son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugorfonics Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kandrax said: Petyr is from Vale, if Hoster sent him to Wall, his father would complain to his liege. Besides challenging lord's son isn't crime. Petyr did nothing illigal, but if he did he'd be illegible for judgement. Only the king is above the law 19 minutes ago, Kandrax said: And what that brought upon Seven kingdoms. Thats also because of a worthless Robert and his SC when it comes to judgement 5 minutes ago, EloImFizzy said: As far as having sex with Lysa, whilst it obviously hurts Lysa's chances of finding a husband Actually it helped. Lysa was proven fertile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said: Actually it helped. Lysa was proven fertile Sure, but I don't think most highborn lordlings like having a deflowered bride. It hurts their pride I imagine. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said: Petyr did nothing illigal, but if he did he'd be illegible for judgement. Only the king is above the law Thats also because of a worthless Robert and his SC when it comes to judgement Actually it helped. Lysa was proven fertile Lysa wasn’t that fertile after Hoster aborted her child. Five miscarriages/stillbirths, and a single mentally and physically unstable boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I don't think he has the authority to pack a noble from the Vale off to the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugorfonics Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, EloImFizzy said: Sure, but I don't think most highborn lordlings like having a deflowered bride. It hurts their pride I imagine. xD That was Cats line of thinking . If she had lost a child before, that might explain Father's words, and much else besides . . . Lysa's match with Lord Arryn had been hastily arranged, and Jon was an old man even then, older than their father. An old man without an heir. His first two wives had left him childless, his brother's son had been murdered with Brandon Stark in King's Landing, his gallant cousin had died in the Battle of the Bells. He needed a young wife if House Arryn was to continue . . . a young wife known to be fertile. Catelyn rose, threw on a robe, and descended the steps to the darkened solar to stand over her father. A sense of helpless dread filled her. "Father," she said, "Father, I know what you did." She was no longer an innocent bride with a head full of dreams. She was a widow, a traitor, a grieving mother, and wise, wise in the ways of the world. "You made him take her," she whispered. "Lysa was the price Jon Arryn had to pay for the swords and spears of House Tully." Small wonder her sister's marriage had been so loveless. The Arryns were proud, and prickly of their honor. Lord Jon might wed Lysa to bind the Tullys to the cause of the rebellion, and in hopes of a son, but it would have been hard for him to love a woman who came to his bed soiled and unwilling. He would have been kind, no doubt; dutiful, yes; but Lysa needed warmth. . Its pretty ridiculous and offensive thinking, then again Jon was a ridiculous and offensive guy. I think some of Cats rationalizing was directed at her own marriage and her distaste for Jon Snow. 2 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said: Lysa wasn’t that fertile after Hoster aborted her child. Five miscarriages/stillbirths, and a single mentally and physically boy. Thats true. Maybe Tansy damaged her ovaries or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Blackfish Tully said: I doubt that Hoster Tully has the authority to send the son of a Vale Lord to the wall. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Baelish was the heir at the time and of course Hoster had the authority to arrest and judge him for a crime committed in his lands, let alone his own castle. LF's father might have the right to appeal to Jon Arryn to intercede and LF could probably demand a trial. Challenging Brandon was not illegal. Embarrassing for all involved, but not illegal. I am not entirely sure about sleeping with Lysa. But in the latter case, Hoster wanted to sweep the whole affair under the rag so making a case out of it wouldn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Hugorfonics said: Its pretty ridiculous and offensive thinking, then again Jon was a ridiculous and offensive guy. We don't get a whole lot on Jon Arryn (since he dies so early), what of him was "ridiculous and offensive"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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