Prince Yourwetdream Aeryn Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 In the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 No, suicide isn't as frequent in places with high mortality. There are other sucidies besides, we see a few in Braavos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 We have Beric giving his life to Cat, Arys Oakheart doing a suicidal run and Quorin giving his life for the NW. In the distant past we have Helaena and Jaehaera jumping from the tower (unless they were murdered) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I think it has to do with GRRM probably not being interested in writing about characters likely to kill themselves. Although we have seen characters commit suicidal acts in pursuit of a larger objective. Examples include Syrio Forel, Qhorin Halfhand (and the rest of his men), and Arys Oakheart. It should also be noted that there are serious questions about whether or not Ashara Dayne actually committed suicide, or even attempted to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Don't loads of people go to the House of Black and White to commit suicide? I imagine loads of people commit suicide, but they are mostly unimportant peasants. Ashara Dayne is probably a big source of gossip, she was considered one of the most beautiful women in Westeros, rumored to have slept with a Stark, and some believe her to be Jon Snow's mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 There is also talk in ADwD about old men who 'go out to hunt' in the depths of winter. "The old men gather up what strength remains in them and announce that they are going hunting. Some are found come spring. More are never seen again.” ADwD p. 657 In others words, "I am just going outside and may be some time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kandrax Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Tucu said: We have Beric giving his life to Cat, Arys Oakheart doing a suicidal run and Quorin giving his life for the NW. None these events are comparable to Ashara since no one of them killed himself out of despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylath's Snout Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Kandrax said: None these events are comparable to Ashara since no one of them killed himself out of despair That's a pretty restrictive definition of suicide. Offing yourself is offing yourself at the end of the day. Also Beric choosing to revive Cat seems to in part have been driven out of despair for how awful his pseudo-life was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Kandrax said: None these events are comparable to Ashara since no one of them killed himself out of despair. The OP never mentioned the despair restriction, just suicide. I gave 5 examples of suicide apart from Ashara's. Others have mentioned the deaths in the House of Black and White and the "go hunting" suicides. There are plenty of references to suicides in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Ylath's Snout said: That's a pretty restrictive definition of suicide. Offing yourself is offing yourself at the end of the day. Also Beric choosing to revive Cat seems to in part have been driven out of despair for how awful his pseudo-life was. I like to believe that Beric was trying to keep his promise to Arya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essosi watch Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 We have different motivations for suicide. Sacrificing themselves to achieve some goal - Beric, Qhorin, old men hunting. Escaping worse fate - slaves in Valyrian mines, House of Black and White, Cersei with Illyn Paine during the battle... Madness - Aerion drinking wildfire. No way out situation - Arys Oakheart. Suicide that is actually no suicide - Jahaera. And then there is guilt. Helaena Targaryen, who has to choose which of her children would be killed. Remember Sophie's Choice? What if Ashara has to choose, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megorova Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Gael the Winter Child, daughter of Jaehaerys I Targaryen, also commited suicide, by drowning herself in the Blackwater Rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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