Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If Stannis is to die in the next book, what do you think any of his remaining men will do? Since I cant really think of any King's Men, I'm leaning more towards the Queen's Men. With no King to reward them will they say "fuck it" and leave South or to the Free Cities. Since they claim to be avid followers of R'hllor, would they stay in the North and carry on the fight with the Others? If someone else got proclaimed Azor Ahai, would they follow them? And then we have Justin Massey who has gone to Essos to recruit sellswords, will he be successful, and if so which companies would be bring back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Most of them will bend the knee to Roose Bolton and the Iron Throne. It's the only choice that makes sense in their situation. They can easily change their religion. Mel's failure means they are not going to buy her belief. Justin Massey is not going to find good quality sellswords because the Golden Company has been bought by Jon Connington and the slave masters. He will find a few smaller companies. They won't be enough to fight the Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Silver Bullet 1985 said: Justin Massey is not going to find good quality sellswords because the Golden Company has been bought by Jon Connington and the slave masters. He will find a few smaller companies. They won't be enough to fight the Lannisters. The Lannisters aren’t the enemy Stannis is concerned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Many may follow Mel. But if Stannis dies Mel might be out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If they continue their fascination with R'hllor, they will either go with what Mel says or somehow latch on to Dany. In the long run, they will probably be a non-factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If Stannis is one of the lies to be slain (note the lie is to be slayed, not necessarily the person) and Dany isn’t going to arrive in Westeros until the end of TWOW or ADOS, then Stannis probably won’t die in the next book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Ice Spider Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 There are two kinds of queen's men: genuine fanatics, and opportunists. The opportunists would bend the knee to the Iron Throne, for sure. Especially if Shireen dies. The fanatics on the other hand … if Mel decides Jon is AA, they may follow her. May. Some will inevitably lose faith if it is revealed Stannis isn't AA. I'm ready to lump them in with the opportunists on the grounds they would despise their actions, which may prompt them to act in a third way. It's difficult to say what will happen. All I know is that the Queen's Men will not behave as a united front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Silver Bullet 1985 said: Justin Massey is not going to find good quality sellswords because the Golden Company has been bought by Jon Connington and the slave masters. He will find a few smaller companies. They won't be enough to fight the Lannisters. A war for the disputed lands has just been averted meaning theres prob a huge swell of sellswords companies nearby, plus for the golden company to be viable in the asoiaf universe then buying a similar amount of men to oppose them(in smaller companies) must be readily available, so while they may be smaller companies they will all add up Bear in.mind stanis felt 20k as a minimum was readily available and his judgement of military strengths is 2nd to none I think there were essos vs wetweros threads here before that estimated 30-50k mercs in essos before we talk gold company ,i mean in slavers bay the ass end of the world we see about 2-3k sellswords raised in a few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Stormbreakers and The Company of the Rose are the only two merc companies not currently employed that I can tell. Plus the one Oberyn formed - if still in existence. Would be cool to see the Company of the Rose return to the North to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 9:37 AM, Giant Ice Spider said: There are two kinds of queen's men: genuine fanatics, and opportunists. The opportunists would bend the knee to the Iron Throne, for sure. Especially if Shireen dies. The fanatics on the other hand … if Mel decides Jon is AA, they may follow her. May. Some will inevitably lose faith if it is revealed Stannis isn't AA. I'm ready to lump them in with the opportunists on the grounds they would despise their actions, which may prompt them to act in a third way. It's difficult to say what will happen. All I know is that the Queen's Men will not behave as a united front. Even if Shireen survives, only a true fanatic would support her. Stannis' campaign is against the odds, reliant largely on his personal military expertise and determination. The actual question is hard to answer, because so much determines on the the circumstances of Stannis' death. More interesting to me is- what will Stannis' Men at Castle Black do now they think King Stannis is dead, whether he is or not? It's certainly a difficult position for most of them, as Sothrons, so far from home. I agree that the Queen's Men will follow Melisandre, there's little other option. Are many King's men still at Castle Black? I assume most aren't. If they are there, I would hope some would protect Shireen if they can, but as I say, I don't think they'd actually try to build her up as monarch, it just isn't realistic. Some might join the Watch, other's might flee for home, maybe via Eastwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Stormbreakers and The Company of the Rose are the only two merc companies not currently employed that I can tell. Plus the one Oberyn formed - if still in existence. Would be cool to see the Company of the Rose return to the North to fight. I would love to see the Company of the Rose return North. Of course they are barely Northern at all, since their ancestors left 300 years ago, they probably don't give two shits about the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, mankytoes said: More interesting to me is- what will Stannis' Men at Castle Black do now they think King Stannis is dead, whether he is or not? It depends on how long Jon stays "dead" for. Bowen Marsh and his lickspittles will want to hand Selyse, Shireen, and Melisandre over to the Boltons thanks to the letter, so their best bet would be to team up with the wildlings to get rid of the mutineers. Of course this all depends on what happens straight after Jon gets stabbed. For all we know Bowen Marsh and the mutineers get killed off in the next 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, EloImFizzy said: I would love to see the Company of the Rose return North. Of course they are barely Northern at all, since their ancestors left 300 years ago, they probably don't give two shits about the North. Yeah they would be assimilated into Essosi culture for sure. 27 minutes ago, EloImFizzy said: It depends on how long Jon stays "dead" for. Bowen Marsh and his lickspittles will want to hand Selyse, Shireen, and Melisandre over to the Boltons thanks to the letter, so their best bet would be to team up with the wildlings to get rid of the mutineers. Of course this all depends on what happens straight after Jon gets stabbed. For all we know Bowen Marsh and the mutineers get killed off in the next 10 seconds. I think they will remain loyal even if they think he is dead. They will be waiting for the sellswords to arrive and will proclaim Shireen as Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I can't believe these people will fight to put Shireen on the throne. That's like asking them to fight to put Tyrion on the throne. It's not realistic. Her greyscale will scare people away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tywin Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Would be cool to see the Company of the Rose return to the North to fight. Why’s that? I don’t remember hearing about them being in the north before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sir Tywin said: Why’s that? I don’t remember hearing about them being in the north before The Company of the Rose is a sellsword company operating in Essos. It was founded by men, and according to some accounts also women, of the North who rejected Torrhen Stark's submission to Aegon the Conqueror and thus chose exile over bending the knee. ---The World of Ice & Fire, The Quarrelsome Daughters: Myr, Lys, and Tyrosh. From the Wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sire de Maletroit said: I can't believe these people will fight to put Shireen on the throne. That's like asking them to fight to put Tyrion on the throne. It's not realistic. Her greyscale will scare people away. They may not, you may be right. That was Stannis' instruction to Justin Massey in the event he died, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: The Company of the Rose is a sellsword company operating in Essos. It was founded by men, and according to some accounts also women, of the North who rejected Torrhen Stark's submission to Aegon the Conqueror and thus chose exile over bending the knee. ---The World of Ice & Fire, The Quarrelsome Daughters: Myr, Lys, and Tyrosh. From the Wiki Do they definitely still exist? We've heard so much about sellswords, and they've never been mentioned in the main story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, mankytoes said: Do they definitely still exist? We've heard so much about sellswords, and they've never been mentioned in the main story. In the same way I don't consider a character dead unless I read the death on page, I do not consider the Company of the Rose as non-existent until I read it on the page. But who knows? We don't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Sir Tywin said: Why’s that? I don’t remember hearing about them being in the north before They are a group of self-exiled Northerners who where not happy with Torrhen Stark's decision to bend the knee to Aegon, so they left and created a sellsword company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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