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The Republican base seem to see rape and lying as a bonus. attacks against the poor. middle class or minorities extra bonus. Love children are fine, even if abortion drugs are slipped in a womans drug....because...Eve.

 

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Probably more a case of they do not want to lose to the Democrats, especially this close to the mid-terms. Pulling a SC nominee because the Democrats are strongly supporting his accusers is definitely a big loss. The question is what's the cost benefit of continuing to back him right up to the mid-terms, vs pulling his nomination and attacking the Democrats for forcing a "good man" to be pulled from SC nomination?

My guess is that the Republicans probably get better campaign mileage by removing Kavanaugh from the spotlight (pull his nomination) and just go with the evil Democrats ruined an innocent man's career narrative, without actually having to argue any specifics or hold any kind of trial by media. But they can only really do that if they are sure of winning the Senate, if they think they are really vulnerable in the Senate then they probably think they must get their SC nomination through before the mid-terms because they won't get another chance until 2020, and then only if they win the Senate back AND get Trump (or another republican) back in the Whitehouse.

It's a bit of a conundrum.

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So it must for some reason not be feasible to withdraw this nomination and then get another in there?

 

I wonder what Anthony Kennedy thinks of all of this with that rumor that this was his hand-picked successor...

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6 minutes ago, HoodedCrow said:

The Republican base seem to see rape and lying as a bonus. attacks against the poor. middle class or minorities extra bonus. Love children are fine, even if abortion drugs are slipped in a womans drug....because...Eve.

 

Wow, must be great being team Republican. They can know you are likely an Ivy bro rapist and they will really go to bat for you. There is hope for every bratty little assaulter out there, as long as they are the right social class.

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2 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

So it must for some reason not be feasible to withdraw this nomination and then get another in there?

 

I wonder what Anthony Kennedy thinks of all of this with that rumor that this was his hand-picked successor...

No, it takes 50 days, which was the time for RBG. They chose to get a rapist in there.

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4 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

The question is what's the cost benefit of continuing to back him right up to the mid-terms, vs pulling his nomination and attacking the Democrats for forcing a "good man" to be pulled from SC nomination?

I think you're overthinking this.  Getting Kavanaugh confirmed is obviously the optimal situation for the GOP (from a rational choice perspective).  If they aren't going to be able to do that it will be apparent in about a week, and they can reassess then.

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They also wanted to get Kavanaugh or anyone else in when the new SC session started on October 4th. (I think that's the date). Because there are a lot of important cases coming up that they'd like to win. 

 

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1 minute ago, Kalbear said:

They also wanted to get Kavanaugh or anyone else in when the new SC session started on October 4th. (I think that's the date). Because there are a lot of important cases coming up that they'd like to win. 

 

Whatever happens in the end, I have a feeling that October 4th deadline is done for, now.

I note they called this one a smear right away, probably because time is running out, but given how much evidence there is to back this up, they cannot leave it at that. Which means more hearings, at the very least, I would think.

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28 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

So it must for some reason not be feasible to withdraw this nomination and then get another in there?

 

I wonder what Anthony Kennedy thinks of all of this with that rumor that this was his hand-picked successor...

Who gives a fuck what that disgusting old white bigoted scumbag thinks about this. 

I hope his asshole rots out. 

3 women have come foward. avenatti is representing one that has not been named yet. That story that Judge told his ex, that is in that new yorker article is disgusting. And Avenatti is implying he represents someone who was a victim of that exact same situation, victimized by Judge and Kavanaugh.

 

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17 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Whatever happens in the end, I have a feeling that October 4th deadline is done for, now.

I note they called this one a smear right away, probably because time is running out, but given how much evidence there is to back this up, they cannot leave it at that. Which means more hearings, at the very least, I would think.

When you say evidence, you mean allegations right? Without making a judgement as to credibility, there's no evidence other that the allegations themselves right?

The whole basis of the Republican response is that these are all coordinated malicious accusations without any evidence to back them up. Not that any objective evidence would get in the way of true believers who would just dismiss any such evidence as fabricated as part of the grand conspiracy.

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4 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

When you say evidence, you mean allegations right? Without making a judgement as to credibility, there's no evidence other that the allegations themselves right?

The whole basis of the Republican response is that these are all coordinated malicious accusations without any evidence to back them up. Not that any objective evidence would get in the way of true believers who would just dismiss any such evidence as fabricated as part of the grand conspiracy.

Multiple allegations.

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2 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

When you say evidence, you mean allegations right? Without making a judgement as to credibility, there's no evidence other that the allegations themselves right?

No, I mean evidence. Contemporaneous accounts heard by other people is evidence. Hearsay evidence? Sure. But its relevance here is clear. 

It is possible Ramirez spread the rumor back then. But that begs the question: why didn't she use it before now, then? Either way, the idea this is an 11th hour smear job is refuted by these contemporaneous accounts several people will attest to. Unless Ramirez can travel back in time or something.

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Judge and Kavanaugh, and their friends used to gang rape women in the DC area during the 80s. Get them drunk and drugged up, then run trains on them. 

 

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6 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

No, I mean evidence. Contemporaneous accounts heard by other people is evidence. Hearsay evidence? Sure. But its relevance here is clear. 

It is possible Ramirez spread the rumor back then. But that begs the question: why didn't she use it before now, then? Either way, the idea this is an 11th hour smear job is refuted by these contemporaneous accounts several people will attest to. Unless Ramirez can travel back in time or something.

I wasn't aware of that. Pretty significant additional information.

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5 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Judge and Kavanaugh, and their friends used to gang rape women in the DC area during the 80s. Get them drunk and drugged up, then run trains on them. 

 

Doing it for the Gipper.

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12 minutes ago, The Anti-Targ said:

 

I wasn't aware of that. Pretty significant additional information.

From the article:

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The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party. A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”

Another classmate, Richard Oh, an emergency-room doctor in California, recalled overhearing, soon after the party, a female student tearfully recounting to another student an incident at a party involving a gag with a fake penis, followed by a male student exposing himself. Oh is not certain of the identity of the female student. Ramirez told her mother and sister about an upsetting incident at the time, but did not describe the details to either due to her embarrassment.

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Mark Krasberg, an assistant professor of neurosurgery at the University of New Mexico who was also a member of Kavanaugh and Ramirez’s class at Yale, said Kavanaugh’s college behavior had become a topic of discussion among former Yale students soon after Kavanaugh’s nomination. In one e-mail that Krasberg received in September, the classmate who recalled hearing about the incident with Ramirez alluded to it and wrote that it “would qualify as a sexual assault,” he speculated, “if it’s true.”

 

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It's pretty clear that Judge needs to testify. He's a horrible witness, which is why the Republicans are refusing to subpoena him. If they really want to ram this through, that's a bare minimum. Really though, Republicans should let this go and nominate someone else.

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He couldn't resist. Because Trump basically believes rapists should be able to openly flaunt their crimes. That's the country he hopes to turn the U.S. into.

Why Trump Can’t Believe Christine Blasey Ford
His own, extensive experience with being accused of sexual assault informs his defense of Brett Kavanaugh.

https://newrepublic.com/article/151342/trump-cant-believe-christine-blasey-ford

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It’s a damning critique of President Donald Trump that his own staffers treated his relatively muted response to a sexual-assault allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh as a minor miracle. CNN reported earlier this week that aides were “quietly stunned” that he managed to not directly criticize Christine Blasey Ford as her account roiled Washington. “Hopefully he can keep it together until Monday,” an unnamed White House official told Axios on Thursday. “That’s only, like, another 48 hours right?”

He didn’t even last that long. Trump opened Friday morning by aggressively casting doubt on Blasey’s account, questioning why she didn’t report her allegations to law enforcement in the early 1980s, immediately after the alleged assault.

 

 

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