Brandon Ice-Eyes Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 What if House Gardener Survives The Field of Fire? So my question for today as the title suggests is - What if House Gardener survives the field of Fire? How would the reach be today. It goes without saying that the reach would be far more unified similar the westerlands under house Lannister; the Vale under the house Arryn; and the north under the Starks, due to House Gardeners ancient claim to the reach through there lineage from Garth Greenhand. How would the events from Aegons a conquest transpire and unfold with the reach being far more powerful due to being ruled by an ancient house viewed with respect and not a house considered upjumped stewards that many proud lords chafed under. It also goes without saying that House Gardener would lose no kin on the field of Fire for this version of events to work and not some unknown bastard claiming his father was of the House Gardener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I suppose it would depend if they bent the knee or not. If they did then they would've been allowed to be the Warden of the South, if not then Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya would've flown to the Reach and burnt Highgarden just like they did Harrenhal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 1:04 AM, •Brandon Ice Eyes said: What if House Gardener Survives The Field of Fire? So my question for today as the title suggests is - What if House Gardener survives the field of Fire? It also goes without saying that House Gardener would lose no kin on the field of Fire for this version of events to work and not some unknown bastard claiming his father was of the House Gardener. Why just these two options? How about a very well known and undeniably trueborn Gardener with a noble mother surviving the Field of Fire but physically unable to bend his knee because he was a six month old boy safe in his cradle in Highgarden when his father, grandfather, uncles and teenage elder brethren rode to burn on the Field of Fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:04 PM, •Brandon Ice Eyes said: What if House Gardener Survives The Field of Fire? So my question for today as the title suggests is - What if House Gardener survives the field of Fire? How would the reach be today. It goes without saying that the reach would be far more unified similar the westerlands under house Lannister; the Vale under the house Arryn; and the north under the Starks, due to House Gardeners ancient claim to the reach through there lineage from Garth Greenhand. How would the events from Aegons a conquest transpire and unfold with the reach being far more powerful due to being ruled by an ancient house viewed with respect and not a house considered upjumped stewards that many proud lords chafed under. It also goes without saying that House Gardener would lose no kin on the field of Fire for this version of events to work and not some unknown bastard claiming his father was of the House Gardener. They would all have to die out by food poisoning, or bandits or a rebellion so the tyrells can take over and the story can continue as witten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Man Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 9:10 PM, EloImFizzy said: I suppose it would depend if they bent the knee or not. If they did then they would've been allowed to be the Warden of the South, if not then Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya would've flown to the Reach and burnt Highgarden just like they did Harrenhal. Correct. Bend the knee or be destroyed. The Tyrells have proven their loyalty. I'm not so sure the Gardeners would have been so accepting of the fact that they are no longer kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Son of Man said: I'm not so sure the Gardeners would have been so accepting of the fact that they are no longer kings. I don't think Houses Stark, Lannister and Arryn where overjoyed either. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garett Hornwood Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The easiest way for House Gardener to survive is if Mern IX's nephew who died three days after the Field of Fire of his burns wasn't as severely burned and lived to continue the House (that's if where he was burned didn't make him a eunuch). The next step was to marry, if he wasn't already, and begin a family. If this unnamed Gardener wasn't already married and if he thought about everything leading up to the Field of Fire, he'd married Harlan Tyrell's daughter and then make his brother-in-law Theo the lord of some castle who's family had been wiped out during the battle. Then in the course of events, Harlan dies ("accidentally" maybe or in Dorne like in the regular timeline, though maybe still "accidentally") and this Gardener does away with the position of High Steward afterwards. Given the Field of Fire, House Gardener would be loyal (not wholeheartedly, but enough not to raise eyebrows) to the Targaryens until the last of the dragons died after that things could go several ways. The Gardeners could pick a convenient time to declare their independence or scheme to takeover the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Atewell's answer: Quote Anonymous asked: Had a Gardener heir survived the Field of Fire, how would that have reshaped the power dynamics in ASOIAF? This is an interesting question, because huge chunks of Westerosi history change as a result, as discussed here and here. In terms of power dynamics, the Gardeners would be far more secure in their rule over the Reach than the Tyrells have been, as like the Starks and Lannisters, they have been kings for all of recorded history, and even more so than either of those, they have the whole succession of Garth Greenhand to reinforce loyalty from almost all the major houses of the Reach. So as I’ve said before, you’re going to see a far more unified Reach when it comes to national politics, so if it gets involved in civil wars and rebellions, it’s not going to split. Which is going to make the Reach have much more weight in those conflicts, because whoever they side with is getting 100,000 men, a huge fleet, and a LOT of the food in Westeros. Moreover, the Gardeners are not going to have the same status anxieties as the Tyrells, and thus will be less eager for royal favor - which means they might be less willing to contribute so many tens of thousands of men for ruinous invasions of Dorne, or to fight for the Mad King Aerys. Indeed, given how Mern IX acted during the Conquest, it could well be that once the dragons die out, the Gardeners might start challenging the Targaryens in an attempt to regain their independence. http://racefortheironthrone.tumblr.com/post/162989056926/had-a-gardener-heir-survived-the-field-of-fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralphis Baratheon Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 While the Tyrells may never control a Reach as unified as it was under the Gardeners I think they've done a solid job unifying it through marriage by the time the series starts. The current Tyrell heir to Highgarden has a Hightower mother, a Redwyne grandmother and a Fossoway good sister. All that and Willas hasn't even taken a wife yet, if he marries Randyll Tarly's daughter or a Rowan he'd have pretty good control of the Reach. That is if Willas is not saving his hand in marriage for Daenerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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