Fate of Olyvar Frey

[Legitimate_Bastard]

I don't recall having heard anything about Olyvar since we learn he was not present for the Red Wedding. I wonder if the Freys killed him for his loyalty to Robb? Reckon we will see him again? What are your thoughts folks?

[The Sunland Lord]

I don't think he will be murdered by his family.

Ironically those who are avenging Robb might kill him. A collateral damage.

[Seaserpent]

2 hours ago, The Sunland Lord said:

I don't think he will be murdered by his family.

Ironically those who are avenging Robb might kill him. A collateral damage.

With all those FRey getting killed by BoB and stonehart and Black walder secretly killing the other ones Olyvar gets closer to the twinn castle every week.

[Euron III Greyjoy]

23 hours ago, Legitimate_Bastard said:

I don't recall having heard anything about Olyvar since we learn he was not present for the Red Wedding. I wonder if the Freys killed him for his loyalty to Robb? Reckon we will see him again? What are your thoughts folks?

His mother was a Rosby, so after the death of Gyles Rosby in AFfC his older brother Perwyn could be one of the six claimants to the Rosby inheritance. After the Red Wedding I doubt Olyvar is too happy with Walder Frey and the rest of his family, so if Perwyn becomes the new Lord Rosby I could see Olyvar going with him to Kings Landing to get away from House Frey. 

[HallowedMarcus]

On 9/22/2018 at 1:30 PM, Seaserpent said:

With all those FRey getting killed by BoB and stonehart and Black walder secretly killing the other ones Olyvar gets closer to the twinn castle every week.

Where, in the books, is it implied that Black Walder is aiding the BoB?

[Seaserpent]

8 hours ago, HallowedMarcus said:

Where, in the books, is it implied that Black Walder is aiding the BoB?

He is not aiding the BoB. He was 4th in line when,his brother Stevron died at oxcross, what is totaly normal after that we learn from big walder that Black walder is now the 3th in line. This information is not for nothing. After sr Ryman died,what puts him in 2nd position its edwyn frey who tells jaimie that he suspects Black walder of the dead and is affraid that he will be next putting Black walder in pole [position for being lord of the crossing. His character is that of dangerous man. I think also that the game lord of the crossing that Brann plays with the walders is to learn us that there is a game on its way for who will get the twins. So its clearly implied in a feast for crows that black Walder is the main player. Its even implied by minor characters like the frey children that he is a dangerous man. 

[Seaserpent]

On 9/22/2018 at 7:04 PM, EloImFizzy said:

His mother was a Rosby, so after the death of Gyles Rosby in AFfC his older brother Perwyn could be one of the six claimants to the Rosby inheritance. After the Red Wedding I doubt Olyvar is too happy with Walder Frey and the rest of his family, so if Perwyn becomes the new Lord Rosby I could see Olyvar going with him to Kings Landing to get away from House Frey. 

Yes that looks very likely

[rotting sea cow]

On 9/22/2018 at 7:04 PM, EloImFizzy said:

His mother was a Rosby, so after the death of Gyles Rosby in AFfC his older brother Perwyn could be one of the six claimants to the Rosby inheritance. After the Red Wedding I doubt Olyvar is too happy with Walder Frey and the rest of his family, so if Perwyn becomes the new Lord Rosby I could see Olyvar going with him to Kings Landing to get away from House Frey. 

Indeed. It is very likely that Gyles ward is Perwyn. This should play a role in the upcoming conflicts in KL. Also Stokeworth is under control of Bronn.

[Euron III Greyjoy]

1 hour ago, rotting sea cow said:

Indeed. It is very likely that Gyles ward is Perwyn. This should play a role in the upcoming conflicts in KL. Also Stokeworth is under control of Bronn.

Bronn certainly is something of a wild card. For a price he might be able to get Aegon or Daenerys into the city. 

[Legitimate_Bastard]

On 9/22/2018 at 1:04 PM, EloImFizzy said:

His mother was a Rosby, so after the death of Gyles Rosby in AFfC his older brother Perwyn could be one of the six claimants to the Rosby inheritance. After the Red Wedding I doubt Olyvar is too happy with Walder Frey and the rest of his family, so if Perwyn becomes the new Lord Rosby I could see Olyvar going with him to Kings Landing to get away from House Frey. 

I like this idea.

[HallowedMarcus]

On 9/25/2018 at 8:54 AM, Seaserpent said:

He is not aiding the BoB. He was 4th in line when,his brother Stevron died at oxcross, what is totaly normal after that we learn from big walder that Black walder is now the 3th in line. This information is not for nothing. After sr Ryman died,what puts him in 2nd position its edwyn frey who tells jaimie that he suspects Black walder of the dead and is affraid that he will be next putting Black walder in pole [position for being lord of the crossing. His character is that of dangerous man. I think also that the game lord of the crossing that Brann plays with the walders is to learn us that there is a game on its way for who will get the twins. So its clearly implied in a feast for crows that black Walder is the main player. Its even implied by minor characters like the frey children that he is a dangerous man. 

I do understand what you mean to say and what is written in the books, however, succession does not work from brother down to other younger brother. It goes down from the oldest Brother to his son who would be Walder Frey grandson and then his son who would be his great-grandson and so on.

[Shouldve Taken The Black]

14 hours ago, HallowedMarcus said:

do understand what you mean to say and what is written in the books, however, succession does not work from brother down to other younger brother. It goes down from the oldest Brother to his son who would be Walder Frey grandson and then his son who would be his great-grandson and so on.

Edwyn doesn't have a son though, just a daughter, and anyhow if BW has dealt with Edwyn then I doubt his offspring would last long.

[The Sleeper]

On 9/25/2018 at 2:54 PM, Seaserpent said:

He is not aiding the BoB. He was 4th in line when,his brother Stevron died at oxcross, what is totaly normal after that we learn from big walder that Black walder is now the 3th in line. This information is not for nothing. After sr Ryman died,what puts him in 2nd position its edwyn frey who tells jaimie that he suspects Black walder of the dead and is affraid that he will be next putting Black walder in pole [position for being lord of the crossing. His character is that of dangerous man. I think also that the game lord of the crossing that Brann plays with the walders is to learn us that there is a game on its way for who will get the twins. So its clearly implied in a feast for crows that black Walder is the main player. Its even implied by minor characters like the frey children that he is a dangerous man. 

The line of succession is right, but the relationship wrong. Stevron was his grandfather, not his brother. Ryman was his father and Edwin his older brother. 

[Seaserpent]

6 hours ago, The Sleeper said:

The line of succession is right, but the relationship wrong. Stevron was his grandfather, not his brother. Ryman was his father and Edwin his older brother. 

Yes i said Stevron was his brother that is not true, but exactly what @Health and Safety Rep for the Door Guards of Westros says. I think its pretty clear black walder is climbing the ladder of succession i have no doubt about that. So I did not look into how far Olyvar is from the Twins, maybe anybody? Also i think Rosby is more likelier for Olyvar after the Lannisters are out of power.

[M.Alhazred]

Olyvar was thrown out is what I've always thought or GRRM forgot about him.

[Kandrax]

On 9/25/2018 at 1:54 PM, Seaserpent said:

Its even implied by minor characters like the frey children that he is a dangerous man. 

Where is it implied by any Frey child that Black is a dangerous man? I am sure that they never talked about him, expect when they listed all Freys named Walder and during talk about succession line of House.

Also, nothing he had done so far make him worse than other Freys.

[Seaserpent]

7 hours ago, Kandrax said:

Where is it implied by any Frey child that Black is a dangerous man? I am sure that they never talked about him, expect when they listed all Freys named Walder and during talk about succession line of House.

Also, nothing he had done so far make him worse than other Freys.

Its not implied they say it even. Sr edwyn tells it to jamie in feast for crows that the freys suspect black walder of killing ryman frey. So he is just try to inherrit the twins, its not even a theory or point of discussion. If he succeed i dont know but i guess he will!

[Bael's Bastard]

7 hours ago, Kandrax said:

Where is it implied by any Frey child that Black is a dangerous man? I am sure that they never talked about him, expect when they listed all Freys named Walder and during talk about succession line of House.

Also, nothing he had done so far make him worse than other Freys.

Edwyn explicitly makes the accusation to Jaime that Black Walder had a hand in their father's death after Ryman is found hanged, as it leave Edwyn as the only obstacle left to Black Walder becoming Lord Walder's heir.

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Jaime frowned. Ryman Frey had been a fool, a craven, and a sot, and no one was like to miss him much, least of all his fellow Freys. If Edwyn's dry eyes were any clue, even his own sons would not mourn him long. Still . . . these outlaws are growing bold, if they dare hang Lord Walder's heir not a day's ride from the Twins. "How many men did Ser Ryman have with him?" he asked.

"Three knights and a dozen men-at-arms," said Rivers. "It is almost as if they knew that he would be returning to the Twins, and with a small escort."

Edwyn's mouth twisted. "My brother had a hand in this, I'll wager. He allowed the outlaws to escape after they murdered Merrett and Petyr, and this is why. With our father dead, there's only me left between Black Walder and the Twins."

"You have no proof of this," said Walder Rivers.

"I do not need proof. I know my brother."

"Your brother is at Seagard," Rivers insisted. "How could he have known that Ser Ryman was returning to the Twins?"

"Someone told him," said Edwyn in a bitter tone. "He has his spies in our camp, you can be sure."

And you have yours at Seagard. Jaime knew that the enmity between Edwyn and Black Walder ran deep, but cared not a fig which of them succeeded their great-grandfather as Lord of the Crossing. (AFFC: Jaime VII)

His head had begun to pound; soft now, but he knew it would get worse. Merrett rubbed the bridge of his nose. He really had no right to think so ill of Petyr. I did the same myself when I was his age. In his case all it got him was a pox, but still, he shouldn't condemn. Whores did have charms, especially if you had a face like Petyr's. The poor lad had a wife, to be sure, but she was half the problem. Not only was she twice his age, but she was bedding his brother Walder too, if the talk was true. There was always lots of talk around the Twins, and only a little was ever true, but in this case Merrett believed it. Black Walder was a man who took what he wanted, even his brother's wife. He'd had Edwyn's wife too, that was common knowledge, Fair Walda had been known to slip into his bed from time to time, and some even said he'd known the seventh Lady Frey a deal better than he should have. Small wonder he refused to marry. Why buy a cow when there were udders all around begging to be milked?

(ASOS: Epilogue)

Then there are Merrett's thoughts on Black Walder and Edwyn before he is hanged in the Epilogue of ASOS.

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When Ser Stevron had been heir, that was one thing. The old man had been grooming Stevron for sixty years, and had pounded it into his head that blood was blood. But Stevron had died whilst campaigning with the Young Wolf in the west—"of waiting, no doubt," Lame Lothar had quipped when the raven brought them the news—and his sons and grandsons were a different sort of Frey. Stevron's son Ser Ryman stood to inherit now; a thick-witted, stubborn, greedy man. And after Ryman came his own sons, Edwyn and Black Walder, who were even worse. "Fortunately," Lame Lothar once said, "they hate each other even more than they hate us." (ASOS: Epilogue)

Merrett paused a moment and closed his eyes. His head was throbbing like that bloody drum they'd played at the wedding, and for a moment it was all he could do to stay in the saddle. I have to go on, he told himself. If he could bring back Petyr Pimple, surely it would put him in Ser Ryman's good graces. Petyr might be a whisker on the hapless side, but he wasn't as cold as Edwyn, nor as hot as Black Walder. The boy will be grateful for my part, and his father will see that I'm loyal, a man worth having about. (ASOS: Epilogue)

 

[Kandrax]

7 hours ago, Seaserpent said:

Its not implied they say it even. Sr edwyn tells it to jamie in feast for crows that the freys suspect black walder of killing ryman frey. So he is just try to inherrit the twins, its not even a theory or point of discussion. If he succeed i dont know but i guess he will!

I said Frey child, not adult. Also, Edwyn never told Jaime that any Frey beside him suspect Black Walder of killing their father. You can read the quote in post below your.

 

7 hours ago, Bael's Bastard said:

Edwyn explicitly makes the accusation to Jaime that Black Walder had a hand in their father's death after Ryman is found hanged, as it leave Edwyn as the only obstacle left to Black Walder becoming Lord Walder's heir.

Then there are Merrett's thoughts on Black Walder and Edwyn before he is hanged in the Epilogue of ASOS.

 

This two are adults not children.

[Seaserpent]

On 10/12/2018 at 12:53 AM, Kandrax said:

I said Frey child, not adult. Also, Edwyn never told Jaime that any Frey beside him suspect Black Walder of killing their father. You can read the quote in post below your.

 

This two are adults not children.

Big walder talks about the lineage of black walder against Bran and they playing lord of the crossing. So it is mentioned and i think this is definitely a hint from GRRM himself that there is something going on about who is going to inherit the Twins. So also this implied that the lineage is a big issue in the Frey story.