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Tender side of Tywin, Roose, And Walder.

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Lol.  These men get a lot of hate.  I can't say some of it are undeserved.  But surely they have their compassionate sides.  Don't you think?

I'm curious from a woman's perspective.  Were they good to their wives?  Do you think there was love in Walder's marriages?  Roose is a man of legendary cruelty but did this carry over into his private life with Domeric's mom?

Jorah's second marriage basically had him worshipping Lynese?  The marriage had love going one way.  She didn't love him back. Is that the way with Walder and his later wives?  Can you see Walder so starved for the love of his young wife to the extent of him spending great sums of money?  And Tywin.  How do you see Tywin keeping Joanna happy?

 

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Tywin was the only man you mentioned loved by his wife, and he kept her love and affection through fierce loyalty and respect Tywin had for Joanna, when shs died he litterally lost his wife and most trusted advisor. Kevin picked up the slack after her death. 

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I always kind of pictured Tywin and Joanna's relationship being similar to Tywin and Arya from the show, but times ten. 

I could never picture Roose as a loving husband, but I don't think he was cruel to her either.

Walder . . . . I don't see him being physically abusive or anything, just a pure asshole. 

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Tywin sincerly loved his wife. Her dead is main why he hated Tyrion. This love is a reason why i would never call him psychopath.

About other two, i can't find tender sides of them.

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I only recall accounts of Tywin having true affection for his wife in the text, she being the only one who could make him smile. 

Roose seemed to care enough to worry about Domeric, so we can guess he's not just 100% cold-hearted. Whether that love included the boy's mom is uncertain. We know he has the capacity for rape, so that's not a good sign. 

Walder I view as being pragmatic about marriage. Wives are to provide heirs, and he does that with fervor. He doesn't skip foreplay, but he ain't picking flowers either. 

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it seems Tywin and Joanna were in love, yes.

As for Roose Bolton, the way I interpret his reference to Walda's squealing is more him being mildly amused than genuinely caring. And his interest in Domeric's welfare seems purely practical - he needs an heir, after all.

Finally, we have the old weasel himself. Now, it seems to me Walder is a malignant narcissist (I'm not a mental health specialist, so don't quote me on that), and malignant narcissists, in addition to needing to feel superior, need others to feel inferior. So the various Lady Freys over the years probably underwent a fair amount of emotional abuse.

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9 hours ago, dmfn said:

I only recall accounts of Tywin having true affection for his wife in the text, she being the only one who could make him smile. 

Roose seemed to care enough to worry about Domeric, so we can guess he's not just 100% cold-hearted. Whether that love included the boy's mom is uncertain. We know he has the capacity for rape, so that's not a good sign. 

Walder I view as being pragmatic about marriage. Wives are to provide heirs, and he does that with fervor. He doesn't skip foreplay, but he ain't picking flowers either. 

The very thought of Walder Frey and foreplay is enough to shrivel my ovaries. Those poor women. I've always been somewhat suspicious about the fact that he seems to have outlived so many.

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3 hours ago, Wall Flower said:

The very thought of Walder Frey and foreplay is enough to shrivel my ovaries. Those poor women. I've always been somewhat suspicious about the fact that he seems to have outlived so many.

The daisy picking scares me ;)

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16 hours ago, Silver Bullet 1985 said:

Those three men on the list are better husbands than Robert Baratheon.  

I'd say most women would prefer to be married to Robert than to either Walder or Roose.

But in any case, I'm sure that we'd agree that Cersei Lannister was, in all likelyhood, a far worse wife than Joanna Lannister, Bethany Ryswell, Fat Walda, or any of Walder's wives.

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On 9/25/2018 at 3:22 PM, EloImFizzy said:

I always kind of pictured Tywin and Joanna's relationship being similar to Tywin and Arya from the show, but times ten. 

I could never picture Roose as a loving husband, but I don't think he was cruel to her either.

Walder . . . . I don't see him being physically abusive or anything, just a pure asshole. 

They were all fairly good husbands.  They provided luxurious homes and lavish lifestyles to their wives.  

Tywin never fully recovered from the death of his wife.  At least not in the eyes of the public.  He was discreet with his whoring.  At least he was respectful of her memory.

Roose probably didn't do the first night screw with his peasants while his wife was alive.  Walder, in my opinion, probably ran around his wives.  But he was a good provider and protector.  

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7 hours ago, The hairy bear said:

I'd say most women would prefer to be married to Robert than to either Walder or Roose.

I'd disagree with that, Robert's the only one we know who has hit his wife, the only one we know who tried to rape his wife, the only one who beat his 4/6 year old son that witnesses thought he was dead, he seems far more uncaring/indifferent to his children than Walder and the most openly promiscuous when it came to cheating. 

Of the four Robert would easily be the best company but as a husband and father he would be hands down the worst. 

 

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But in any case, I'm sure that we'd agree that Cersei Lannister was, in all likelyhood, a far worse wife than Joanna Lannister, Bethany Ryswell, Fat Walda, or any of Walder's wives.

Marriage is a partnership, they were both as bad as each other the only difference is that Cersei beat Robert in the race to who would murder the other first. 

 

13 hours ago, Wall Flower said:

The very thought of Walder Frey and foreplay is enough to shrivel my ovaries. Those poor women. I've always been somewhat suspicious about the fact that he seems to have outlived so many.

In fairness he's outlived everyone. His peers are all 20-50 years younger than him.  Leyton Hightower would seem to be (given the ages of his children) at least 20 years younger and on wife no4. 

 

 

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I think all three of them are human thus capable of some, limited, very private warmth towards people they are very close to.  However such people are probably very uncommon or that warmth might only be shown when they were very young.

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3 hours ago, Bernie Mac said:

only difference is that Cersei beat Robert in the race to who would murder the other first. 

Not sure Bob would murder Cersei unless he found out the truth about Jaime and the kids and believed it even though there is no real proof. So since he wasn't aware of it I don't think he was ever plotting to kill her.  

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13 minutes ago, Ralphis Baratheon said:

Not sure Bob would murder Cersei unless he found out the truth about Jaime and the kids and believed it even though there is no real proof. So since he wasn't aware of it I don't think he was ever plotting to kill her.  

yeah, that was my point, as soon as the constantly cheating, with many bastards, found out about Cersei doing the same to him as he had been doing to her she would have been murdered. She was aware of this and simply killed him first. 

Toxic marriage between two awful people. Both were equally to blame for their marriage. 

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7 hours ago, Tai Pan said:

They were all fairly good husbands.  They provided luxurious homes and lavish lifestyles to their wives.

They all already lived in castles, so it's not like they should earn brownie points for letting their wives live there too.

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15 hours ago, Ralphis Baratheon said:

Walder also chooses to house, feed and support all his children, grandchildren and their bastards even after they are grown adults. He could very easily send them away or kick them out, so there's that. 

I like old Walder Frey.  

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