Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Anyone else want to chime in on this one so I know I'm not crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 @Darth Richard II You're not crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Not in this instance anyway! *runs naked screaming into woods* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said: Uh yeah, they were mixed to positive. Can you actually read? To clarify, some bad reviews on release does not equal poor scores. I can read, but can’t you comprehend what you read? Lord Of The Rings were negative at the beginning, then it started getting positive reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said: Uh yeah, they were mixed to positive. Can you actually read? To clarify, some bad reviews on release does not equal poor scores. Lord Of The Rings received 50% negative reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, BloodyJollyRoger said: I can read, but can’t you comprehend what you read? Lord Of The Rings were negative at the beginning, then it started getting positive reviews. That’s not what the article you linked actually says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, BloodyJollyRoger said: Lord Of The Rings received 50% negative reviews. That’s not how math works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 10 hours ago, BloodyJollyRoger said: Read it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reception_of_J._R._R._Tolkien So? I’ve read and enjoyed Tolkien for years. Why should the opinions of critics from the inital publication of LOTR matter to my opinion of his work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 LotR is in good company: The Grapes of Wrath, The Lord of the Flies, Moby-Dick, The Catcher in the Rye, The Great Gatsby, One Hundred Years of Solitude.... quite a lot of important works of literature were, in a sense, ahead of their time, which mean contemporary critics were often baffled or combative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ran said: LotR is in good company: The Grapes of Wrath, The Lord of the Flies, Moby-Dick, The Catcher in the Rye, The Great Gatsby, One Hundred Years of Solitude.... quite a lot of important works of literature were, in a sense, ahead of their time, which mean contemporary critics were often baffled or combative. Exactly. Just because critics didn't like something when it was first released doesn't me the work they criticized is crap. John Keats was harshly criticized for his work during his lifetime. Now he's among the greatest of the Romantic Poets. Why should the critics at the release of a given work of art have more deference than those of us reading the work today? @BloodyJollyRoger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Oh, I know I shouldn't feed this one, but I'm still going to look this one up... Edit:.....are you Michael Moorcock by any chance? Michael Moorcock produced a scathing review of the Lord of the Rings without ever having read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Uh yeah, they were mixed to positive. Can you actually read? To clarify, some bad reviews on release does not equal poor scores. Let me say if I had written a novel that received positive reviews in the Sunday Times, and Sunday Telegraph, and praise from the likes of Iris Murdoch, WH Auden, CS Lewis, and Naomi Mitchison, I'd be pretty thrilled. I could live with being slagged off by Michael Moorcock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, SeanF said: Michael Moorcock produced a scathing review of the Lord of the Rings without ever having read it. I’ve read Moorcock. He’s very okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Well this guy seems to have issues with both the Witcher and LotR which screams Moorcock fanboy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Darth Richard II said: Well this guy seems to have issues with both the Witcher and LotR which screams Moorcock fanboy to me. He's back-to-front on Moorcock's actual opinion of Tolkien. Moorcock says he considers himself a bad writer with big ideas, but would rather be that than a big writer with bad ideas (clearly a potshot at Tolkien). Our present poster calls Tolkien a bad writer with great ideas... which is closer to how Moorcock sees himself. Based off Tolkien's famous Foreword (best known for the anti-allegory thing), Tolkien seemed to think that some of the negative reviews of his era were a matter of taste and preference. But he had the last laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I’ve read Moorcock. He’s very okay. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Mistakes_and_inconsistencies_in_Tolkien's_works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 59 minutes ago, The Marquis de Leech said: He's back-to-front on Moorcock's actual opinion of Tolkien. Moorcock says he considers himself a bad writer with big ideas, but would rather be that than a big writer with bad ideas (clearly a potshot at Tolkien). Our present poster calls Tolkien a bad writer with great ideas... which is closer to how Moorcock sees himself. Based off Tolkien's famous Foreword (best known for the anti-allegory thing), Tolkien seemed to think that some of the negative reviews of his era were a matter of taste and preference. But he had the last laugh. Tolkien is a bad writer. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Mistakes_and_inconsistencies_in_Tolkien's_works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Darth Richard II said: Well this guy seems to have issues with both the Witcher and LotR which screams Moorcock fanboy to me. The Witcher is plagiarism, while Tolkien is a bad writer. http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Mistakes_and_inconsistencies_in_Tolkien's_works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Lol if that makes Tolkien a bad writer I have very bad news for you about your hero mr moorcock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targknight Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Exactly. Just because critics didn't like something when it was first released doesn't me the work they criticized is crap. John Keats was harshly criticized for his work during his lifetime. Now he's among the greatest of the Romantic Poets. Why should the critics at the release of a given work of art have more deference than those of us reading the work today? @BloodyJollyRoger The critics weren’t wrong. Lord Of The Rings Ian full of plot holes and inconsistencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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