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2 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

Why are right-wingers on this board so obsessed with Antifa? Is it like Freddy Krueger, they are going to get you?

Only in their dreams.

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Germany, the United Kingdom and France urged joint Saudi-Turkish efforts to investigate the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, fueling international pressure on Saudi Arabia to shed light on what happened.

“Germany, the United Kingdom and France share the grave concern expressed by others including [EU foreign policy chief Federica] Mogherini and [United Nations Secretary General António] Guterres, and are treating this incident with the utmost seriousness,” the foreign ministers of Europe’s three largest countries said in a joint statement Sunday.

 

Germany, UK, France urge ‘credible’ probe into Saudi journalist’s disappearance
Foreign ministers say they ‘share the grave concern expressed by others’ about Jamal Khashoggi’s whereabouts.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-uk-france-urge-credible-probe-into-saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-disappearance/

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3 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

Why are right-wingers on this board so obsessed with Antifa? Is it like Freddy Krueger, they are going to get you?

Put yourself in their jackboots. If you want to make yourself seem like the real victim, and your political opponents seem like thugs, who better to point your finger at than a bunch of people in masks trying to "out bully" the bullies.

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52 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

Why are right-wingers on this board so obsessed with Antifa? Is it like Freddy Krueger, they are going to get you?

The Nazis and Fascists both literally started as organized street fighters united in their zeal to defeat communism one broken head at a time. So they are trying to regenesis. If enough RW Americans perceive Antifa ( or immigrants or communists or socialists or homosexuals or muslims or eventually Democrats) as an existential threat, they get their mandate.

(Which is why I’m also against organized Punch a Nazi movements.)

Edited by James Arryn

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There's way too much hypocrisy on this board. Can't you guys just admit you're okay with violence as long as it's coming from your side?

I post a video about BLM activists blocking traffic and insulting and attacking innocent people, calling them white fuckers and white supremacists. The response?

- "whataboutism"
- "the person who posted the video is a racist troll, therefore it doesn't matter"
- "why are you obsessed with Antifa"
- random irrelevant info about the roots of nazis and fascists

Not a single person condemned those violent leftists. Not a single person called out their blatant racism.

Edited by SweetPea

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5 minutes ago, SweetPea said:

There's way too much hypocrisy on this board. Can't you guys just admit you're okay with violence as long as it's coming from your side?

I post a video about BLM activists blocking traffic and insulting and attacking innocent people, calling them white fuckers and white supremacists. The response?

- "whataboutism"
- "the person who posted the video is a racist troll, therefore it doesn't matter"
- "why are you obsessed with Antifa"
- random irrelevant info about the roots of nazis and fascists

Not a single person condemned those violent leftists. Not a single person called out their blatant racism.

Please provide the context of the protest.

Oh, they were protesting another murder of a black citizen. Yet another black man denied due process. DIdn't the Right have a hard-on for due process a week ago?

What were the Proud Boys doing? Attacking minorities in the streets.

That about right?

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1 hour ago, Martell Spy said:

Why are right-wingers on this board so obsessed with Antifa? Is it like Freddy Krueger, they are going to get you?

Because these white supremacist, fascist, nazi, sexist, racist, bigoted etc. are always wanting to fight and the antifa will fight back?

The wimpys among them stick to bot-trolling, whatabouting, etc., like we see in these threads all the time. etc.  But the real deal guy goes out there on the street and swings while yelling directly in people's faces f2f.  Antifa don't take it.  (And often, one sees, when these guys are confronted by those they can't bully, they get scared run away and try to fool the people among whom he's huddling for protection that he's 'not really one of them.'  He literally changes his shirt.

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1 minute ago, Week said:

Please provide the context of the protest.

You really think it depends on the context if throwing racist insults and attacking random innocent people passing by is okay or not? Personally I would think it's wrong, no matter what the protest is for.

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Just now, SweetPea said:

You really think it depends on the context if throwing racist insults and attacking random innocent people passing by is okay or not? Personally I would think it's wrong, no matter what the protest is for.

Ok, so you don't know and/or unwilling to respond, understand, or acknowledge. Got it.

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Just now, Week said:

Ok, so you don't know and/or unwilling to respond, understand, or acknowledge. Got it.

Your response to violent leftist throwing racist insults at and attacking random innocent people: the leftists were protesting against the murder of a black citizen. Do you see that as a justification of their action?

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25 minutes ago, SweetPea said:

There's way too much hypocrisy on this board. Can't you guys just admit you're okay with violence as long as it's coming from your side?

I post a video about BLM activists blocking traffic and insulting and attacking innocent people, calling them white fuckers and white supremacists. The response?

- "whataboutism"
- "the person who posted the video is a racist troll, therefore it doesn't matter"
- "why are you obsessed with Antifa"
- random irrelevant info about the roots of nazis and fascists

Not a single person condemned those violent leftists. Not a single person called out their blatant racism.

Sorry, bit confused here. When you responded to links to the Proud Boy violence by saying “While we're here, might I also mention the situation in Portland where leftist thugs routinely take over the streets while the police do nothing?”

and linking the Portland scene, that was you implicitly condemning the PB violence and racism? Because, to the untutored eye, it looks like classics...almost hilariously classic...whataboutism. I mean, if you replaced ‘while we’re here’ with ‘but what about’ it probably doesn’t get past the satire filters. 

 

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4 minutes ago, James Arryn said:

Sorry, bit confused here. When you responded to links to the Proud Boy violence by saying “While we're here, might I also mention the situation in Portland where leftist thugs routinely take over the streets while the police do nothing?”

and linking the Portland scene, that was you implicitly condemning the PB violence and racism? Because, to the untutored eye, it looks like classics...almost hilariously classic...whataboutism. I mean, if you replaced ‘while we’re here’ with ‘but what about’ it probably doesn’t get past the satire filters. 

Not quite. I was also responding to Bonnot saying: "Cops let it happen, pigs also didn't make any arrests for this hate crime. Not shocking, cops are far right reactionaries and work side by side with these dickheads"

I think a mention of the Portland events where left wing protesters have illegally blocked traffic, insulted and attacked people and the police didn't stop them, is an appropriate refutation of the claim that cops are racist far right reactionaries.

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1 hour ago, SweetPea said:

I post a video about BLM activists blocking traffic and insulting and attacking innocent people, calling them white fuckers and white supremacists.

So is it BLM or Antifa? These are two different groups you know.

Anyway it took me 30 seconds to find the first part of that altercation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt-A5urSUV8

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5 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

So is it BLM or Antifa? These are two different groups you know.

Anyway it took me 30 seconds to find the first part of that altercation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt-A5urSUV8

Two different groups, basically the same ideology. There's probably a big overlap between the members of the two. The same goes for people on the right, is there really a meaningful difference between a Proud Boy and someone who attends a Unite the Right rally? I don't think so, at least not as long as the current discussion is concerned.

I don't see your point with the video. It's the same as the video I linked to, except from a different angle.

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3 hours ago, Martell Spy said:

Germany, UK, France urge ‘credible’ probe into Saudi journalist’s disappearance
Foreign ministers say they ‘share the grave concern expressed by others’ about Jamal Khashoggi’s whereabouts.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-uk-france-urge-credible-probe-into-saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-disappearance/

Oooooh oooooh, I'm waiting to see the Saudis pull their ambassadors from those countries AND the US, and selling off their business interests, pull out their students studying in those countries and cancelling ALL contracts. Even for maple syrup. Just like they did to Canada for Canada protesting the arrests of female activists.

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1 hour ago, SweetPea said:

I think a mention of the Portland events where left wing protesters have illegally blocked traffic, insulted and attacked people and the police didn't stop them, is an appropriate refutation of the claim that cops are racist far right reactionaries.

Some asshole drove a car through the middle of a crowd of protesters. It's not the protesters that the cops should have stopped!

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5 minutes ago, felice said:

Some asshole drove a car through the middle of a crowd of protesters. It's not the protesters that the cops should have stopped!

I don't even know what to say to that...

Is that your honest opinion? Is that really what you think has happened?? If so, that's just sad...

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1 hour ago, SweetPea said:

I don't even know what to say to that...

Is that your honest opinion? Is that really what you think has happened?? If so, that's just sad...

Please share your wisdom, enlightened one. Inquiring minds would like to know what else happened in Portland - because that's all I got from that incident. And it's not the first time a right winger would have used a car to run over progressive protestors. Charlottesville comes to mind, for example.

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