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6 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

What the fuck are you talking about? 

Assuming you're questioning what's going on in general and not the relevance of the story to this topic: he's talking about Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist (and US resident) who disappeared from the Saudi consulate in Turkey and whom Turkey are alledging was murdered there by Saudi agents and his body then dismembered and moved from the consulate in bags. Trump comes into it because he spoke to the Saudis and came out of the meeting running their line that if it happened it was probably rogue agents and not approved by the regime, which seems to be the official line they are preparing to take, and has since tweeted that the crown prince has pinky-promised him he didn't know, and generally the Trump administration seem to be preparing to take the Saudi's official line on this.
 

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25 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

On that note...

 

I really, really hope that this is wrong.  But could we be entering an era where most Republicans cannot even believe that they could lose and that any Dem win could only happen via cheating?  I hear the snickers already just typing this.

Sure. That already happened plenty after 2012. There just isn't anything they can do about it without going extrajudicial, and there's no indication they have the stomach or capability to do that right now.

Results are counted by state governments, not the Feds, and basically every state election official (other than Kris Kobach) takes their job seriously. They'll support bullshit Republican "voter fraud" laws that make it harder to vote, but the actual votes are the actual votes. Remember the overwhelming pushback when Trump's voter fraud commission started asking for voter rolls? That came from Republican state secretaries of state just as much as Democratic ones.

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16 minutes ago, Fez said:

but the actual votes are the actual votes.

The actual votes are just numbers on spreadsheets. Easy to invent votes easy to delete votes. easy peasy lemon squeezy.

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So the Turtle is talking about entitlement cuts now as many of us have long-predicted:  using the huge new deficit he created with tax cuts to attack SS and Medicare.  If I were a Dem candidate I would be hammering this point home as hard as I can the final three weeks.  

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1 hour ago, Maithanet said:

You can drive a truck through the holes in campaign finance laws.  If he wanted to pocket the money, he could just issue new Gold MAGA hats that are produced by a company owned by the Trump Organization.  The hats cost $100 and are given away to anyone who has a Trump yard sign.  Trump purchases 5 million of these hats with these Super PACs, and then gives them away (so generous!)  And now he's $500 million dollars richer. 

Yep this. Sometimes I wonder when a politician writes a book if they're doing it to run for president or just to buy them up with their campaigns and PACs as gifts for donors. It's a comically easy scam. 

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24 minutes ago, lokisnow said:

The actual votes are just numbers on spreadsheets. Easy to invent votes easy to delete votes. easy peasy lemon squeezy.

You really have no idea what you're talking about don't you?

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36 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

So the Turtle is talking about entitlement cuts now as many of us have long-predicted:  using the huge new deficit he created with tax cuts to attack SS and Medicare.  If I were a Dem candidate I would be hammering this point home as hard as I can the final three weeks.  

Get your government hands off of my Medicare!!!

Face it dude, Americans are stupid when it comes to politics. One could go as far as to say that they are ......... The Petermans of citizens. 

Couldn't resist!!! 

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39 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

So the Turtle is talking about entitlement cuts now as many of us have long-predicted:  using the huge new deficit he created with tax cuts to attack SS and Medicare.  If I were a Dem candidate I would be hammering this point home as hard as I can the final three weeks.  

no democrat will do such a thing, instead they will whinge about how unfair it is after the fact. if voted into power after the cuts they will do nothing to restore SS or MC.

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We're through the looking glass.....:

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Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump defended Saudi Arabia in an interview Tuesday, suggesting the wave of criticism the Middle Eastern kingdom has received over a missing Saudi journalist is premature.

"Here we go again with you know you're guilty until proven innocent," Trump told The Associated Press.
 
The AP's report said Trump compared the accusations against Saudi Arabia, which stands accusing of killing Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, to the allegations against recently confirmed Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/politics/donald-trump-saudi-arabia/index.html

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1 hour ago, polishgenius said:

Assuming you're questioning what's going on in general and not the relevance of the story to this topic: he's talking about Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist (and US resident) who disappeared from the Saudi consulate in Turkey and whom Turkey are alledging was murdered there by Saudi agents and his body then dismembered and moved from the consulate in bags. Trump comes into it because he spoke to the Saudis and came out of the meeting running their line that if it happened it was probably rogue agents and not approved by the regime, which seems to be the official line they are preparing to take, and has since tweeted that the crown prince has pinky-promised him he didn't know, and generally the Trump administration seem to be preparing to take the Saudi's official line on this.
 

I was asking about why the fuck the concept of diplomatic immunity is coming up, when  as far as I can tell not a single person ever mentioned it and it has no relevance to anything here. 

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8 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I was asking about why the fuck the concept of diplomatic immunity is coming up, when  as far as I can tell not a single person ever mentioned it and it has no relevance to anything here. 

Kind of like in the new season of American Vandal the kid out of nowhere is just like "and I understand the prison industrial complex."  

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49 minutes ago, SpaceForce Tywin et al. said:

Get your government hands off of my Medicare!!!

Face it dude, Americans are stupid when it comes to politics. One could go as far as to say that they are ......... The Petermans of citizens. 

Couldn't resist!!! 

Once you understand this, it all makes sense.

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The end seems appropriate.  However, the guest list seems more interesting than the fatality.  I wonder...just how many other aged GOP candidates or incumbents are one good party from a date with the reaper?  Maybe somebody here has a list...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dennis-hof-‘bunny-ranch’-owner-and-gop-candidate-for-nevada-legislature-found-dead-after-party/ar-BBOtVL7?ocid=msnclassic

 

Hof, a candidate for the state Assembly in a district in southern Nevada, died in his sleep in the hours after a celebration that featured pornography star Ron Jeremy, former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio and anti-tax activist Grover Norquist,

according to his campaign manager Chuck Muth.

 

 

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If one wanted to make an optimistic case right now for the Dems in the midterms could not all of these fundraising hauls be a really good sign?  Particularly because it seems to be small-donor driven?  I would think that would suggest lots of energy.   Not talking about taking the Senate due to such a difficult map there, but just energy overall and solidly getting the House. 

 

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40 minutes ago, Triskjavikson said:

If one wanted to make an optimistic case right now for the Dems in the midterms could not all of these fundraising hauls be a really good sign?  Particularly because it seems to be small-donor driven?  I would think that would suggest lots of energy.   Not talking about taking the Senate due to such a difficult map there, but just energy overall and solidly getting the House. 

 

It is a good sign, but hauls were good in 2016. Money does not always equal wins. This is not all bad, as otherwise the Koch brothers would have already purchased our democracy and had us tattooed with corporate brands.

I think the best signs are the Republicans making last-minute concessions on healthcare, or avoiding the subject entirely. They are afraid, as this is the first time they can be made accountable to the American people.

 

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There's an amusing study which came out a few days ago and is summarized in this Atlantic article. Here's a bit about political correctness:

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Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness.

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The one part of the standard narrative that the data partially affirm is that African Americans are most likely to support political correctness. But the difference between them and other groups is much smaller than generally supposed: Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites, and only five percentage points less likely than the average, to believe that political correctness is a problem.

If age and race do not predict support for political correctness, what does? Income and education.

While 83 percent of respondents who make less than $50,000 dislike political correctness, just 70 percent of those who make more than $100,000 are skeptical about it. And while 87 percent who have never attended college think that political correctness has grown to be a problem, only 66 percent of those with a postgraduate degree share that sentiment.

The New York Times has a somewhat more provocative opinion piece based on the same study:

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The report, “Hidden Tribes,” breaks Americans into seven groups, from left to right, with names like Traditional Liberals, Moderates, Politically Disengaged and so on. It won’t surprise you to learn that the most active groups are on the extremes — Progressive Activists on the left (8 percent of Americans) and Devoted Conservatives on the right (6 percent).

These two groups are the richest of all the groups. They are the whitest of the groups. Their members have among the highest education levels, and they report high levels of personal security.

We sometimes think of this as a populist moment. But that’s not true. My first big takeaway from “Hidden Tribes” is that our political conflict is primarily a rich, white civil war. It’s between privileged progressives and privileged conservatives.

 

I haven't looked at the underlying study, but it's pretty funny to see this published in the Atlantic and the New York Times  -- at least half the comments for the latter can be summarized as saying "false equivalence!" with a substantial number also mentioning that the commenter is middle class.

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2 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

Eh we didn’t do anything to Saudi Arabia after 9/11, so I don’t see why this is such a shock,

Exactamente!  bushwa even flew Saudis outta the US on US military jets!

These people deserve the guillotine.

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3 hours ago, Triskjavikson said:

So the Turtle is talking about entitlement cuts now as many of us have long-predicted:  using the huge new deficit he created with tax cuts to attack SS and Medicare.  If I were a Dem candidate I would be hammering this point home as hard as I can the final three weeks.  

That's a good idea, which means the Democrats won't be doing it. [/lokisnow]

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