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"In Volantis, thousands of slaves and freedmen crowd the temple plaza every night to hear Benerro shriek of bleeding stars and a sword of fire that will cleanse the world."

In George's short story The Glass Flower "perhaps a sudden solar flare that will burn this planet clean. It will come, though, and sooner than you think.”

Planets get cleansed by fiery celestial events/swords of fire.

 

He jabbed his bony finger back at comet and castle. "There comes the Harbinger! Cleanse yourselves, the gods cry out, lest ye be cleansed! Bathe in the wine of righteousness, or you shall be bathed in fire! Fire!"

In the Audubon Field Guide to the Night Sky it says "Often comets were believed to be the finger of a god or a sword pointed at Earth."  (comet is a bony finger)

"Benerro jabbed a finger at the moon, made a fist, spread his hands wide. When his voice rose in a crescendo, flames leapt from his fingers with a sudden whoosh and made the crowd gasp. The priest could trace fiery letters in the air as well. Valyrian glyphs. Tyrion recognized perhaps two in ten; one was Doom, the other Darkness. "

 

I think the name "Benerro" is a modification of "banner"--in Indian and Chinese astronomy comets are sometimes referred to as banners, and in the books the comet is called a banner: 

"See how it flames across the sky today on His Grace's name day, as if the gods themselves had raised a banner in his honor. The smallfolk have named it King Joffrey's Comet."

"There is the sign you have waited for, blazoned on the sky. Red, it is, the red of flame, red for the fiery heart of the true god. It is his banner"

"Benerro. The priest stood atop a red stone pillar, joined by a slender stone bridge to a lofty terrace where the lesser priests and acolytes stood. The acolytes were clad in robes of pale yellow and bright orange, priests and priestesses in red."

He is described as a red comet.  Red stone pillar, arch of comets tail, dust tails of orange, red, and yellow. 

"Benerro's high voice carried well. Tall and thin, he had a drawn face and skin white as milk. Flames had been tattooed across his cheeks and chin and shaven head to make a bright red mask that crackled about his eyes and coiled down and around his lipless mouth."  White and red, weirwood colors, red mask.

 

Their slave soldiers are called the Fiery Hands, which parallels the weirwood trees: "The red leaves of the weirwood were a blaze of flame" with "leaves that looked like hands."  The Fiery Hand is weirwood leaves and the Fiery Heart of R'hllor is the Fiery Heart Tree.

 

In Latin volantis means "flying fish" and it is another name of the constellation Volans, suggesting the idea of flying stars. volantes means birds.  In Spanish/Portuguese volante is a badminton shuttlecock, which looks just like a comet.  The volcryn from George's Nightfliers is an interstellar telepathic creature, volucrine means "pertaining to birds".  The Red Comet is essentially a volcryn.

"The Greatjon told Robb that the old gods have unfurled a red flag of vengeance for Ned. Edmure thinks it's an omen of victory for Riverrun—he sees a fish with a long tail"  The Comet is a flying fish.

The Red Temple  in Volantis: "An enormity of pillars, steps, buttresses, bridges, domes, and towers flowing into one another as if they had all been chiseled from one colossal rock, the Temple of the Lord of Light loomed like Aegon's High Hill. A hundred hues of red, yellow, gold, and orange met and melded in the temple walls, dissolving one into the other like clouds at sunset. Its slender towers twisted ever upward, frozen flames dancing as they reached for the sky. Fire turned to stone. "

The Temple is one huge red rock, which is fire turned to stone, that is likened to clouds at sunset, that reaches for the sky.  Its towers are like a comet's tail, and the comet has landed on Earth.  Ice/fire duality is hinted at with the phrase "frozen flame"  Ice/fire are two sides of the same coin.

Weirwoods also reach for the sky.  "The tree was slender compared to other weirwoods he had seen, no more than a sapling, yet it was growing as he watched, its limbs thickening as they reached for the sky."  They are a blaze of flame, and they turn to stone when they are cut down.  In the texts, other things that reach for the sky are banners, castle towers, and flames.

 

Moqorro, with a belly like a boulder and red flames on black, with red robes.  He has bone white hair, and is blacker than a raven's wing, and his eyes looked out of a red "mask of frozen flame"  Mokoro means "canoe." "Clad in black from head to heel, with a mask of red-and-orange flames tattooed across his face"  Flying flaming red boat, that is associated with ravens, blood and bone, ice/fire. and a red mask. 

Thoros/Beric are comets that struck the Earth.  dondar and thor come from the same word meaning "thunder,"  Thor in Norse mythology rode across the sky in a red chariot that shot sparks.  Beric has red hair and a starry cape, they both use flaming swords, (which break in half like Azor Ahai's failed swords),  

"The first rider through the gate carried a long black banner. The silk rippled in the wind like a living thing; across the fabric was blazoned a night sky slashed with purple lightning. "Make way for Lord Beric!" the rider shouted. "Make way for Lord Beric!" And close behind came the young lord himself, a dashing figure on a black courser, with red-gold hair and a black satin cloak dusted with stars." 

"Thoros and Lem were with Lord Beric when the dwarf woman sat down uninvited by the fire. She squinted at them with eyes like hot coals. "The Ember and the Lemon come to honor me again, and His Grace the Lord of Corpses."

 

"Ghost leapt onto his chest. The direwolf's eyes burned red as embers"  "Ghost," he called softly, "to me." And the wolf was there, eyes like embers."

Mel's "red eyes blazed like twin fires, "

"The only thing that looked alive in the pale ruin that was his face was his one red eye, burning like the last coal in a dead fire,"

Thoros is an Ember, and Beric is the Lord of Corpses, Beric sits a weirwood throne in a weirwood cave and has one eye like Bloodraven.  Bloodraven is a corpse, and Beric is the Lord of Corpses.

The Ghost of High Heart's eyes are hot coals, Ghost's eyes are embers, Mel's eyes are fiery, Bloodraven's eye is the last coal.   They all have the weirwood colors.  Luwin says likens magic to a dying ember:

"Perhaps magic was once a mighty force in the world, but no longer. What little remains is no more than the wisp of smoke that lingers in the air after a great fire has burned out, and even that is fading. Valyria was the last ember, and Valyria is gone. The dragons are no more, the giants are dead, the children of the forest forgotten with all their lore."

 

"The first star was a comet, burning red. Bloodred; fire red; the dragon's tail."

Quaithe, in British Heraldry, Quatherine means "ship in full sail, gules" Quaithe is a red ship in full sail--Quaithe is the Red Comet.  Her mask is red wood, and "her mask is made of starlight"

"Remember who you are, Daenerys," the stars whispered in a woman's voice. "The dragons know. Do you?"

and Dany hears the "whisperings of stars" in book 1 and in book 5 "the stars wheeled around her and whispered secrets in her ear."  Then Quaithe gives her riddle.  Quaithe is the star/comet that is whispering to Dany. 

"If I flew high enough, I could even see the Seven Kingdoms, and reach up and touch the comet."  (Interesting that she has flying dreams where she floats up to join the comet, and Bran has flying dreams where he plummets to Earth as a comet.)

 

Weirwoods have wooden faces, which are a red mask.  Bloodraven appears to Mel a "wooden face, corpse white" and Morna White Mask wears a weirwood mask and she is a woodswitch, Quaithe fits this pattern if the Red Comet is a weirwood.

 

Mel: "the heart-shaped face, the red eyes, the long coppery hair, her red gowns moving like flames as she walked, a swirl of silk and satin. She had come from Asshai in the east, she had come to Dragonstone and won Selsye and her queen's men for her alien god, and then the king, Stannis Baratheon himself. He had gone so far as to put the fiery heart on his banners, the fiery heart of R'hllor, "

"The ruby at Melisandre's throat caught the light as she turned her head, and for an instant it seemed to glow bright as the comet."

"And fire cleanses." At her throat, the ruby shimmered redly.

She has a lot of comet imagery.  The nucleus of a comet is sometimes called its heart, the word comet means "long-haired star" the comet's tail is its hair, Mel's hair is long and coppery. The fiery heart is an alien god, there is a parallel between the ruby and the comet and the ruby and cleansing fire.  

"The burning gods cast a pretty light, wreathed in their robes of shifting flame, red and orange and yellow. Septon Barre had once told Davos how they'd been carved from the masts of the ships"  The burning gods are masts of ships/tree trunks that are carved, wreathed in flame. 

 

Ezzelyno is the red priest in Braavos, asellano means "to expel"--Red Comets are something that is expelled--from planets and from the solar system.  

"When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god."

Imagery of a weirwood fiery heart of Winterfell being torn up out of the ground to feed the fire god.  I think the fire god is a weirwood that tears itself out of the ground:

"That is not a friendly face, Jon Snow reflected. The faces that the First Men and the children of the forest had carved into the weirwoods in eons past had stern or savage visages more oft than not, but the great oak looked especially angry, as if it were about to tear its roots from the earth and come roaring after them."

An angry tree, tearing its roots from the Earth, and roaring after them--weirwood rocket.

"The tree had been dead a long time, but it seemed to live again in the fire, as fiery dancers woke within each stick of wood to whirl and spin in their glowing gowns of yellow, red, and orange. "

"You will die a dozen deaths, boy, and every one will hurt … but when your true death comes, you will live again. The second life is simpler and sweeter, they say."

Weirwood trees can live a second life as fiery dancers, with glowing gowns of red.  Maybe Mel's compulsion to burn weirwood trees is a psychically implanted suggestion sent by the weirwoods themselves in order to launch a Red Comet.  She lights the fuse.

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Nightbringer: The Hammerhorn of the Waters

  • Daenerys summons the red comet to strike the moon which brings the Long Night.
  • The Hammer of the Waters may be a horn; Euron’s horn.
  • The Hammerhorn of the Waters will be sounded by Daenerys “the Unburnt”, who is the only person who can possibly sound it three times without burning from within to bring about the apocalypse.
  • Azor Ahai’s sword may be a horn as an asteroid strikes the earth like a sword.
    Chunks of moon falls to Earthos bringing plumes of smoke to block out the sun, bringing darkness. Simultaneously the moon is moved closer to Earthos and it’s increased gravity brings flooding and cold.
  • The flooding freezes over and Westeros becomes the Land of Always Winter.
  • Dany is a Nissa Nissa figure to the man who makes her sound the Hammerhorn one of the “heroes” prophesied to come again.
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The comet guided young Daenerys and her Khalasar to safety.  Almost as if sent by the gods to lead a promised people through a desert and to a place of safety.  Daenerys has been referred to as the Moses.  Why not a burning comet to show the way in place of a burning bush.

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On 11/20/2018 at 2:52 PM, By Odin's Beard said:

Azor Ahai was a smith, he created three swords, the last one was the Red Sword of Heroes.  In the faith of the Seven,  the Smith is Mars, the red planet, what if the Red Comets are coming from Mars and it is called the smith because it creates "swords."  The Red Comet doesn't orbit the sun, they are just shot out of the solar system to populate other planets with weirwood.  What if Mars is completely covered in weirwoods?

Mars passes through the 12 houses of the zodiac, "the sword plunged into water" was when Mars was in Aquarius or Pisces it launched a comet, "the sword plunged into a Lion's heart" is when Mars was in Leo it launched a comet, and "the sword plunged into Nissa Nissa's heart" was when Mars was in Virgo (or near the Moon in the sky) it launched the comet that came to Earth and hit the dark object that was causing the Long Night eclipse.

In Norse mythology the beginning of Ragnarok is signaled by three roosters crowing, one of them is red.  I think we will see three comets.

We know that Mars was in Virgo when Jon stole Ygritte, how many months were between the first appearance of the Red Comet and Jon meeting Ygritte?  Then we could figure out what house Mars was in when the Red Comet first appeared.  There is about a year between Mars being in Virgo and it being in Aquarius.

(I don't know where else to put this but I think "Ygritte" comes from the Latin "aegritudo" meaning "sickness or grief")

I don't know why the Wildlings call Mars the Thief, anybody got an idea?  What does it steal?  Is it a play on words. steal/steel, that would work with the Mars making swords idea.

 

Also, the Church of Starry Wisdom, what are they praying to?  If the Bloodstone is an ASOIAF version of Lovecraft's Shining Trapezohedron, that was able to link the users mind to other worlds, what if the Bloodstone can link the users mind to all of the weirwoods on Mars and across the galaxy?

Also, this is only half-baked but Tyrion is an anagram of Yin-tar  --  Tar-yin or tyrian, and Yin Tar was a woman with a monkey's tail, Tyrion was supposed to be a hermaphrodite with a tail.  And monkey tail is a plant that is also called heliotrope, heliotrope stone is called bloodstone.  Tyrion will find the Bloodstone.

Why would the Smith be Mars? Mars is more like to be the Warrior.

1 hour ago, Bowen 747 said:

The comet guided young Daenerys and her Khalasar to safety.  Almost as if sent by the gods to lead a promised people through a desert and to a place of safety.  Daenerys has been referred to as the Moses.  Why not a burning comet to show the way in place of a burning bush.

This.

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2 minutes ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

Why would the Smith be Mars? Mars is more like to be the Warrior.

" the red wanderer that septons preached was sacred to their Smith up here was called the Thief. "

I think the warrior is Mercury because he/she is quick.  Jupiter is the Father, Saturn (Cronos) is the Crone--because she is slow. Venus morningstar is the Maiden, Venus Evenstar is the Mother, and the black planet is the Stranger.

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4 minutes ago, By Odin's Beard said:

" the red wanderer that septons preached was sacred to their Smith up here was called the Thief. "

I think the warrior is Mercury because he/she is quick.  Jupiter is the Father, Saturn (Cronos) is the Crone--because she is slow. Venus morningstar is the Maiden, Venus Evenstar is the Mother, and the black planet is the Stranger.

Ok that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

It's funny that they refer to Saturn in the feminine. Saturn has always been characterized with masculine energy.

Are you sure the Moon isn't the Mother? Why is Venus split between the Maiden and the Mother?

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1 minute ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

Ok that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

It's funny that they refer to Saturn in the feminine. Saturn has always been characterized with masculine energy.

Are you sure the Moon isn't the Mother? Why is Venus split between the Maiden and the Mother?

Jon says "he could find the seven wanderers sacred to the Faith" --no-one would say they could "find the moon" --so I think the seven are planets not including the sun or moon.

People used to think the appearance of Venus in the morning and in the evening were two separate planets.  It is mentioned in the Audubon manual to the Night Sky, that I am almost certain George used to write his astronomy sections. 

"Because of its appearances at sunrise and sunset, the ancient Greeks thought it was two different planets, and gave them different names: Phosphorus (Light-bringer) the morning star, and Hesperus (Latin, Vesper) the evening star."

About Saturn being a female Crone--I think George wanted a triple aspect female deity, so there had to be three females in the seven.  Bonus trivia, in Hindu astronomy, Saturn is Shani ("slow") who rides a crow, and in ASOIAF the crone's lantern is the constellation Corvus, the crow.  And the Crone let the first raven in through the door of death.  I think there is a play on words between crone/corone.  (also the myth of the constellation Corvus involves a woman name Coronis) And in the Sworn Sword, the constellations King's Crown and Crone's Lantern are listed together, and I think the King's Crown is the constellation Corona Borealis--so crone/corone/corona-- and Corona Borealis and Corvus are adjacent entries in the Audubon manual.

 

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18 hours ago, Bowen 747 said:

The comet guided young Daenerys and her Khalasar to safety.  Almost as if sent by the gods to lead a promised people through a desert and to a place of safety.  Daenerys has been referred to as the Moses.  Why not a burning comet to show the way in place of a burning bush.

Agree, except the slaves are the promised people.  Meereen is ancient Egypt, right down to the three pyramids.

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On 8/5/2019 at 2:30 PM, Moiraine Sedai said:

Agree, except the slaves are the promised people.  Meereen is ancient Egypt, right down to the three pyramids.

I think GRRM did that on purpose. Joseph (old Daenerys) brings the Hebrew family into Egypt (Meereen) where they are eventually enslaved and then Moses (new Daenerys) leads them out of Egypt for the Promised Land (Westeros).

Quaithe.

To go west, you must go east. To go forward, you must go back.

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On 8/4/2019 at 3:11 AM, Rose of Red Lake said:

I always thought it was an interesting foil for Dany and Jon. She sees the comet as a sign to light the funeral pyre and thinks its "the herald of her coming" while Jon couldn't care less and tells Sam to stop babbling about it and go find a map. 

We should look back in history to see how omens and prophecies were misinterpreted.  Rhaegar thought he was special. Well, Rhaegar was wrong.  He was just a chump who thought he was the promised one.  His young sister is the promised one.  The red comet is like prophecy.  But, and this is important, just because all these people saw it and made the wrong impression does not mean they all got it wrong.  One person got it right.  Daenerys got it right.  That comet was for her and her alone.  This is corroborated by Old Nan's interpretation.  The Red Comet mean the arrival of dragons.  There can be no doubt, the Red Comet herald the return of dragons, both real dragons and the human dragon, Daenerys Targaryen.  

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17 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

We should look back in history to see how omens and prophecies were misinterpreted.  Rhaegar thought he was special. Well, Rhaegar was wrong.  He was just a chump who thought he was the promised one.  His young sister is the promised one.  The red comet is like prophecy.  But, and this is important, just because all these people saw it and made the wrong impression does not mean they all got it wrong.  One person got it right.  Daenerys got it right.  That comet was for her and her alone.  This is corroborated by Old Nan's interpretation.  The Red Comet mean the arrival of dragons.  There can be no doubt, the Red Comet herald the return of dragons, both real dragons and the human dragon, Daenerys Targaryen.  

I can see you're into the bad 80s fantasy tropes. "The promised one" - but promised to do what?

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On 8/7/2019 at 5:13 PM, Jabar of House Titan said:

I think GRRM did that on purpose. Joseph (old Daenerys) brings the Hebrew family into Egypt (Meereen) where they are eventually enslaved and then Moses (new Daenerys) leads them out of Egypt for the Promised Land (Westeros).

Quaithe.

To go west, you must go east. To go forward, you must go back.

That is quite an interesting interpretation.

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On 8/7/2019 at 8:50 PM, The Lord of the Crossing said:

We should look back in history to see how omens and prophecies were misinterpreted.  Rhaegar thought he was special. Well, Rhaegar was wrong.  He was just a chump who thought he was the promised one.  His young sister is the promised one.  The red comet is like prophecy.  But, and this is important, just because all these people saw it and made the wrong impression does not mean they all got it wrong.  One person got it right.  Daenerys got it right.  That comet was for her and her alone.  This is corroborated by Old Nan's interpretation.  The Red Comet mean the arrival of dragons.  There can be no doubt, the Red Comet herald the return of dragons, both real dragons and the human dragon, Daenerys Targaryen.  

Yes because her vision is the only one with support from another source.  The Red Comet is the return of dragons.

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On 10/18/2018 at 8:33 AM, Ellard Stark said:

We have yet to figure out what the ordeal of the Red Comet is... so what do you think is the best explanation? With the material (lore) we have right now.

There's a lot of lore surrounding the frame story.  Stories within the story which may be no more real than the frame story.  Fiction inside a work of fiction if you will.  The red comet signals the climate change.  It's the red sword that slays the seasons.  The change in season causes a chain reaction of events.  A drop in temperature which lead to the Oanthers getting stronger.  The Others, ice, cold, and darkness are the elements of anti-life.  The Dragons, fire, warmth, and light are the elements of life.  Something has to balance out the ice in order for enough of the living to survive.  The red comet signals the arrival of the dragons.  The Others will bring death and darkness to Westeros.  Just about everybody who doesn't escape will die.  The direwolves will be the last ones standing but they too will die.  The dragons will bring Spring back to Westeros and life in the form of new settlers.  I can picture the freed slaves needing a new home.  Instead of captured people going west to become slaves.  The freed slaves go west to found a new home for themselves.  The red comet prepares the wise for a reset of humanity in order to begin anew.  

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On 10/18/2018 at 6:15 PM, Here's Looking At You, Kid said:

And the "waking of the dragons from stone."  A feminine take on Arthur pulling the sword from the stone.  Here it is dragons.  

 

 

On 10/18/2018 at 8:33 AM, Ellard Stark said:

We have yet to figure out what the ordeal of the Red Comet is... so what do you think is the best explanation? With the material (lore) we have right now.

 

On 10/18/2018 at 11:09 AM, Shouldve Taken The Black said:

"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt."

It heralded Dany being born again as Azor Ahai.

The idea came from the bible.  The star that appeared during the birth of the Christ.  The comet appeared at the perfect time to announce the birth of the dragons and the rebirth of Daenerys Targaryen.  Three wizards came seeking the dragons not long after.  Three kings came seeking the Christ. 

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The comet led Dany and her khalasar to Slaver's Bay.  There, she found a calling to help the slaves.  It guided her to where she needed to go.  SB is the equivalent of Sodom, Rome, and Gomorrah.  It needed cleansing.  The slaves needed help.  The Masters needed punishment.  

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On 8/15/2019 at 11:20 PM, Damsel in Distress said:

 

 

The idea came from the bible.  The star that appeared during the birth of the Christ.  The comet appeared at the perfect time to announce the birth of the dragons and the rebirth of Daenerys Targaryen.  Three wizards came seeking the dragons not long after.  Three kings came seeking the Christ. 

The biblical symbolism is there for sure.  A promised child and three wise ones.  

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