Alexis-something-Rose Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, King Aegon I Targaryen said: Ah, its been quite a while since I read the books, so I looked up Areo Hotah on the asoiaf wiki and it made no mention of him travelling with Obara in the ADwD section. I could only find it on the Obara page, and that only brings him up on TWoW segment. You are right, actually. I went looking for the passage. Sorry about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevets Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 When you get down to it, Darkstar is a pretty minor character. I can see no reason to make him a POV even if Martin were inclined to add one. I expect that Doran's comment about him being the most dangerous man in Dorne has to do with knowledge he possesses but that can come out through somebody else's POV. 3 hours ago, King Aegon I Targaryen said: It would be cool, but I don't think so. GRRM has said we are getting no new POV chapter, which leaves the prologue and epilogue. GRRM said at some point that Jeyne Westerling would be in the prologue, and since she is currently in the Riverlands being escorted back to the Westerlands by Jaime's men, I can't see Darkstar showing up there. I think the prologue POV will be someone like Addam Marbrand. Since this is the second to last book, I feel like the epilogue in TWoW needs to be insane, and I feel like Darkstar cant provide anything interesting enough to be the epilogue POV. I feel like it will have something to do with the Others. I don't know that we will get an epilogue. Only two books have had one (Storm and Dance), and given the ridiculous number of POVs he has to find room for, I doubt that there will be room for one. He's going to have enough trouble fitting in all his POVs without adding an epilogue to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Barbrey Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, King Aegon I Targaryen said: You're probably right, I was thinking that if they did do the 5 year timeskip that maybe Edric would've stayed with Stoneheart. I imagine spending 5 years hunting down anyone with relations to Houses Lannister and Frey, whether innocent or not, would've damaged his psyche quite a bit. To be honest I don't really see him having any major part in the story anymore. I could see there being a throwaway line about him returning to Starfall to be its Lord or something. Ha! Bedivere does have a minor part as squire to King A during the last battle, and king A tells him to return excalibur to the lady of the lake before he dies/leaves for Avalon. So this would be Jon dying and giving Dawn to Edric to return it to Starfall (where ladies of the lake such as Ashara and Allyria reside). I totally see that, in mirror of Ned returning the sword to Starfall. I kind of wish Allyria would appear. She might be Brandon and Ashara's child, bastard hidden with her grandparents pretending to be her parents. Another Stark! And a Dayne! She'd be a fun one to create for George but There's just not enough time for new characters, George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lady Barbrey said: I kind of wish Allyria would appear. She might be Brandon and Ashara's child, bastard hidden with her grandparents pretending to be her parents. Another Stark! And a Dayne! She'd be a fun one to create for George but There's just not enough time for new characters, George! So Allyria gets to live the life of a Dornish noblewoman, whilst Jon gets the privilege of being the bastard of Winterfell. Seems fair. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Darion Storm said: While we’re on the subject of ‘no new POV characters’ all I’ve been able to find is people saying ‘GRRM said there will be no POV characters’ except for one person saying it was a quote from a convention in 2007? Surely there must be more evidence for people to be so sure about it? Yeah I am looking for more info to no avail. Hell, he could have no part in Winds at all and maybe pop up in Dream with a POV? A kid can wish can't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Pop up in Dream with Dawn, somehow gives it to Jon? Reveals the truth about Ned and the ToJ. We just know so little about the Dayne's. Something in my gut tells me they will be mega important before it is all said and done. Dunno. Was there not some stuff left out of the TWOIAF about House Dayne because it would spoil the remaining books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Yeah I am looking for more info to no avail. Hell, he could have no part in Winds at all and maybe pop up in Dream with a POV? A kid can wish can't he? I have to ask, why are you so interested in Gerold Dayne anyway? He didn't seem all that interesting to me. The only thing I want from him is to lead Areo Hotah on a chase to Starfall, that way we can have a POV in Starfall and hopefully find out more on House Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, King Aegon I Targaryen said: I have to ask, why are you so interested in Gerold Dayne anyway? He didn't seem all that interesting to me. The only thing I want from him is to lead Areo Hotah on a chase to Starfall, that way we can have a POV in Starfall and hopefully find out more on House Dayne. House Dayne has fascinated me since my first read through AGOT. I focus way too much on the words Arthur spoke to Ned, and Ned to Arthur. Edric seems too young to shed any light on any of it so I cling to Darkstar in hope of learning more about that whole side of the story. I am probably going to be in for a huge disappointment but I feel there just has to be so much more to the ToJ, Rhaegar + TPTWP prophecy, Howland Reed, Jons mother etc etc etc. Doran calls him the most dangerous man in Dorne. I just feel like it will be bigger than we all think. Personally, the build up of mystery around House Dayne is one of the points that keeps me coming back. We could learn it all from another POV, sure. But it would be very gratifying for me to hear it from the mouth of a Dayne. I will probably be wrong, and sorely disappointed - who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euron III Greyjoy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: House Dayne has fascinated me since my first read through AGOT. I focus way too much on the words Arthur spoke to Ned, and Ned to Arthur. Edric seems too young to shed any light on any of it so I cling to Darkstar in hope of learning more about that whole side of the story. I am probably going to be in for a huge disappointment but I feel there just has to be so much more to the ToJ, Rhaegar + TPTWP prophecy, Howland Reed, Jons mother etc etc etc. Doran calls him the most dangerous man in Dorne. I just feel like it will be bigger than we all think. Personally, the build up of mystery around House Dayne is one of the points that keeps me coming back. We could learn it all from another POV, sure. But it would be very gratifying for me to hear it from the mouth of a Dayne. I will probably be wrong, and sorely disappointed - who knows. So do you think Gerold Dayne possibly knows about what went down at the Tower of Joy? During that time he would've been anywhere between 9 and 13, maybe he was a squire to Arthur, or maybe he was at Starfall when Ned returned Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Eh, the character honestly really never interested me enough to care too much to delve into his mind. He just seems a cliche villain so far with no real motive other than being bad. Even the name Darkstar is cringe worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, King Aegon I Targaryen said: So do you think Gerold Dayne possibly knows about what went down at the Tower of Joy? During that time he would've been anywhere between 9 and 13, maybe he was a squire to Arthur, or maybe he was at Starfall when Ned returned Dawn. Something like that. It may have been you that pointed out that surely Doran didn't think the danger lies in his skill at arms. It has to be knowledge. If Doran has a plan to seat Dany or Aegon on the throne, a Jon Targaryen would mess with those plans. It's a big IF. 9 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: Eh, the character honestly really never interested me enough to care too much to delve into his mind. He just seems a cliche villain so far with no real motive other than being bad. Even the name Darkstar is cringe worthy. Yeah it is a cliche name LOL. But it is a STARK contrast to Sword of the Morning. There has to be something to that, I think so anyway. Maybe GRRM threw it in there just to f*ck with us, IDK. This may be my crappy memory, but was there not a scene where Arianne asks herself if it was even Darkstar that cut Myrcella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Yeah it is a cliche name LOL. But it is a STARK contrast to Sword of the Morning. There has to be something to that, I think so anyway. Maybe GRRM threw it in there just to f*ck with us, IDK. This may be my crappy memory, but was there not a scene where Arianne asks herself if it was even Darkstar that cut Myrcella? I always thought House Dayne collectively was just a huge red herring to distract the readers from R+L=J. A legendary knight who was the greatest man everyone ever knew. A big family connection with Ned. A supposed love interest between Ned and Ashara. Little Ned Dayne being Jon's "milk brother." The cherry on top being you have this legendary sword that Jon in theory could be heir to. Darkstar doesn't fit into that narrative to be sure, which to me only makes him even more of a cliche villain. He wants his family birthright and acts completely contrary to it in order to obtain it. Complete with the attempted murder of a little girl. I don't recall Arianne questioning that specifically, though she didn't specifically witness the event. So it is Aero's hearsay we're relying upon on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis-something-Rose Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: Darkstar doesn't fit into that narrative to be sure, which to me only makes him even more of a cliche villain. He wants his family birthright and acts completely contrary to it in order to obtain it. Complete with the attempted murder of a little girl. I don't recall Arianne questioning that specifically, though she didn't specifically witness the event. So it is Aero's hearsay we're relying upon on that one. I'm not sure Aero saw anything. He would have been focused on the guy who was charging him on his horse and then busy killing him while whatever happened with Myrcella happened. I think Doran just pinned the act on the guy who fled the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alexis-something-Rose said: I'm not sure Aero saw anything. He would have been focused on the guy who was charging him on his horse and then busy killing him while whatever happened with Myrcella happened. I think Doran just pinned the act on the guy who fled the scene. I never considered this, but you may be right. Doran would have motive. He seemed to have an axe to grind against Gerold and of course that minor detail of getting the blame shifted away from him for injuring the heir to the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lord Lannister said: I never considered this, but you may be right. Doran would have motive. He seemed to have an axe to grind against Gerold and of course that minor detail of getting the blame shifted away from him for injuring the heir to the Iron Throne. If that is the case, then surely a larger role awaits Gerold? What is that axe? It has to end up more than just 'Areo and Obara killed Gerold because he stole Dawn'. That'd be lamer than the lame cliche villain no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 18 hours ago, rotting sea cow said: Hard to say. The PoV there is Areo Hotah. My take is more or less. Darkstar steals Dawn, Hotah kills him, he goes to Starfall to give it back and ends learning some very important bit of information. He goes back to Doran at the same time the later declared for Aegon... etc Maybe Doran charges him to find Jon, maybe not, but at some point Dawn should fall in Jon's hands and Hotah may play a more important role on that. Yeah but why send it to Jon? He's no Dayne. Charge him with finding little Edric perhaps but not Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Yeah but why send it to Jon? He's no Dayne. Charge him with finding little Edric perhaps but not Jon. Unless N+A=J. Which could be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 20 hours ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Will we see one in Winds? If not why not? I would love it but we will probably not get any new view point characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Widowmaker 811 said: I would love it but we will probably not get any new view point characters. I guess its Arianne or Areo, then. I can imagine ways it could work. Darkstar takes Areo prisoner and does his thing while Areo narrates LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just a thought - when GRRM says no new POV chars, does that mean no new (previously unseen character) POV. Or no new POV from chars we already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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