NBA 2018: Fear the Deer

[Relic]

25 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

I'm no trade expert but if not mistaken you just put in the entire Knicks roster into the trade machine for the entire Pels roster. Everything going ok there big guy? 

 

haha, it didnt show the trade, damn. and yeah id trade em all straight up 

[Jaime L]

22 minutes ago, Relic said:

haha, it didnt show the trade, damn. and yeah id trade em all straight up 

What did you put in? 

[Relic]

2 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

What did you put in? 

I had KP, Hardaway, 2021 1st round, 2023 first round for AD straight up. Pair him with KD next year and we're in business....

[Jaime L]

3 hours ago, Relic said:

I had KP, Hardaway, 2021 1st round, 2023 first round for AD straight up. Pair him with KD next year and we're in business....

Not the worst offer. KP offers some of the freakish young cornerstone ability they're losing in AD. The issue now is his value's in question as a 7'3" guy who has missed a year with a lower body injury. That's kinda scary,  And those draft picks become less valuable with AD playing for the Knicks. He alone can probably carry the Knicks into the playoffs (or 35+ wins minimum) in the East.

That said, not like Ingram, Ball and Tatum have lit the world on fire this year either. 

[briantw]

6 hours ago, Relic said:

https://tradenba.com/players?tid=20&tid=19

Never gonna happen, but man it would be sweet

I've read elsewhere that the Knicks are going after Davis hard, and I think they can probably offer a better package than the Lakers.  

The Lakers really should have tried to trade some of their young guys over the summer, because the shine has worn off pretty much their entire roster at this point.  None of those young guys look like they're worth anything close to Anthony Davis.

Just hard to see the Pelicans sending him to LA when some other team will surely be able to offer a better package.  We've seen this dance several times now with stars demanding trades with a year left on their deals.  There's gonna be a team out there willing to pay for the chance to convince Davis to sign with them long-term, and they'll almost certainly be able to pay more than the shit package the Lakers can offer.

Edit: At any rate, I don't think he's traded until the offseason unless someone offers something insane.  Makes more sense to wait until the summer when Boston can offer more and they know where all the lottery picks land.

[Slurktan]

Didn't Davis's trade request say that he wants to go to a winning team?  The Knicks should be banned from even trying if that's the case as long as Jimmy D is the owner.  I'm glad Boston looks like it may miss out.  I think due to him being with LeBron's buddy's agency he will likely go to the Lakers for Ball and Ingram and stuff.  Good.

[James Arryn]

Vegas line has Raptors as favourites to land Davis, which I honestly don’t really get. 

[briantw]

52 minutes ago, Slurktan said:

Didn't Davis's trade request say that he wants to go to a winning team?  The Knicks should be banned from even trying if that's the case as long as Jimmy D is the owner.  I'm glad Boston looks like it may miss out.  I think due to him being with LeBron's buddy's agency he will likely go to the Lakers for Ball and Ingram and stuff.  Good.

He can request to be traded wherever he wants.  The Pelicans can also tell him to fuck off and send him wherever they want.  They're not required to respect his wishes.  Their job is to get the best return possible, and we've seen multiple times now that, despite what a star player may want, the team will send him to whoever gives them what they want.

Also, the Pelicans just requested the league to open a tampering investigation, which is obviously targeted at the Lakers, so I can't see any way they'd trade him there anyway.

[DMC]

4 hours ago, James Arryn said:

Vegas line has Raptors as favourites to land Davis, which I honestly don’t really get. 

WTF?

[Slurktan]

4 hours ago, briantw said:

He can request to be traded wherever he wants.  The Pelicans can also tell him to fuck off and send him wherever they want.  They're not required to respect his wishes.  Their job is to get the best return possible, and we've seen multiple times now that, despite what a star player may want, the team will send him to whoever gives them what they want.

Also, the Pelicans just requested the league to open a tampering investigation, which is obviously targeted at the Lakers, so I can't see any way they'd trade him there anyway.

Sorry  I didn't mean it as a Butleresque "Send me to one of these teams" trade request.  I meant it heavily implied AD won't resign unless its a winning team which limits the number of teams that will sell the farm for him.  New York isn't one unless KD has privately told them he's coming for sure.

As for why the Raps are the betting favourites.... I'd assume its because they have the contracts/assets to do a swap, are a winning team, will go for it this year, and Masai is 1000x the level of Dale Demps, the Lakers may still slow play like they did with PG and Kawhi, and Boston not being able to till July.

I don't know if I want the Raps to trade for AD, they'd have to give up an awful lot.  They really would be betting it all this year.  Plus side is they could then send AD to Boston in the Summer if Kawhi leaves.

[briantw]

8 minutes ago, Slurktan said:

Sorry  I didn't mean it as a Butleresque "Send me to one of these teams" trade request.  I meant it heavily implied AD won't resign unless its a winning team which limits the number of teams that will sell the farm for him.  New York isn't one unless KD has privately told them he's coming for sure.

As for why the Raps are the betting favourites.... I'd assume its because they have the contracts/assets to do a swap, are a winning team, will go for it this year, and Masai is 1000x the level of Dale Demps, the Lakers may still slow play like they did with PG and Kawhi, and Boston not being able to till July.

I don't know if I want the Raps to trade for AD, they'd have to give up an awful lot.  They really would be betting it all this year.  Plus side is they could then send AD to Boston in the Summer if Kawhi leaves.

Well, my general point was that, much like with the Raps trading for Kawhi or the Thunder trading for George, surely some team out there will take a chance on AD re-signing after spending a year there even if he says he doesn't want to.  

[Jaime L]

The timing of the trade demand advantaged the Lakers and now this, if true, likely precludes a godfather offer from any of the East contenders. Probably also changes the calculus for the Pelicans. Now if you can get Ball + Ingram, I feel like you have to take it. Lakers could try to get cute as they have all the leverage but Lebron only has so many prime years left and I would not be cavalier about giving up another 1.5 years waiting for AD to free up. 

[James Arryn]

15 hours ago, DMC said:

WTF?

Are you confused at the Vegas thing, or at my not getting it?

 

Former: 

 

 · Jan 28, 2019

 

Will the Pelicans trade Anthony Davis before the 2019 deadline?

Yes +150
No -200

 

 

What team will Anthony Davis team play for on Feb 8, 2019?

New Orleans -200
Toronto +500
LA Lakers +600
LA Clippers +700
Brooklyn +1000
Houston +1200
Oklahoma City +1200
Boston +1500
Any Other Team +300https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nba/specials/ …

 

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Latter: just don’t see it as a good fit, pieces wise. Don’t think the Raps have enough young parts to satisfy the Pels compared to, well, a lot of other teams Presumanly Siakam and JV would be the core, and I think that’s just okayish. Lowry might be moveable, but not terribly interesting to the Pels and his value right now is as low as it’s been in a long time. And then Toronto rolls with Fred/Delon at the point? And the Raps including a slew of picks would turn resigning Kawai from a ‘best case scenario’ to an existential necessity.

I think even a hampered Lakers can put together a much more attractive package. 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

2 hours ago, Jaime L said:

The timing of the trade demand advantaged the Lakers and now this, if true, likely precludes a godfather offer from any of the East contenders. Probably also changes the calculus for the Pelicans. Now if you can get Ball + Ingram, I feel like you have to take it. Lakers could try to get cute as they have all the leverage but Lebron only has so many prime years left and I would not be cavalier about giving up another 1.5 years waiting for AD to free up. 

Honestly there needs to be a way for the NBA to put an end to this. LeBron is basically Davis’ agent, and there is obvious collusion taking place. Nothing about this feels right.

[briantw]

21 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Honestly there needs to be a way for the NBA to put an end to this. LeBron is basically Davis’ agent, and there is obvious collusion taking place. Nothing about this feels right.

Hard cap is the only solution.  It would effectively kill super teams.  

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

18 minutes ago, briantw said:

Hard cap is the only solution.  It would effectively kill super teams.  

That wouldn’t stop what’s happening here though. LeBron effectively runs an agency and is steering players he wants towards them. I love when the players take power from the owners, but this is too much.  

[Fez]

I don't think there's any way to stop it. LeBron is being blatant here, but there's no way to stop the players from privately talking to each and making decisions about who they want to play with.

[Relic]

Here's the thing... How is this wrong? 

[briantw]

36 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

That wouldn’t stop what’s happening here though. LeBron effectively runs an agency and is steering players he wants towards them. I love when the players take power from the owners, but this is too much.  

It wouldn't stop this specific instance, no, but it would make the Lakers getting three star players virtually impossible, especially since LeBron has made it clear that he is under no circumstances taking a pay cut.  To me, the goal should be to end all this teaming up bullshit in the first place, which also goes a long way toward limiting the drawing power of big markets, and a hard cap would do that.

Another option would be to eliminate max contracts, and that could be done in conjunction with a hard cap to really limit how many good players can be on one team.

At any rate, if I'm the Pelicans, I'm guessing I can get a team to give me more than the shit sandwich the Lakers could offer even with no assurances that Davis would re-sign.  Someone will take a chance on convincing him to stay, and we've even seen that work recently with Paul George.

[James Arryn]

Hard caps just mean advertising/sponsors would be the only way to gain additional revenue, thus if anything maximizing the appeal of major markets. Especially in the NBA wherein an individual star is often more important to the team’s success than the rest combined (vs. average replacement distribution.) and therefore profile. 

It’s not something with a solution imo, but either way I’m very wary of labour solutions to owner problems. But any fix is just choosing different problems. The artificially in the market is much more that LeBron level players are capped at the current max when their value to the franchise is extraordinarily above that. The no-cap idea would mean more talent accumulation in the bigger or at least wealthier franchises a la MLB/Premier League, but it would also make salaries actually reflect known value more.