Jaime L Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Maithanet said: I think it was just to dump salary. Right now the Wizards are the absolute worst kind of NBA teams - over the luxury tax and still terrible. I think the plan for the next couple of years is to be terrible, so you might as well be cheap too. Zombies get along with everyone. No, good news Maith! The Wizards have now dumped their next 4 years of 2nd round picks for nothing...but they heroically got under the luxury tax. #winning Meanwhile Nikola Mirotic literally just got traded to the Bucks for 4 2nd round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jaime L said: No, good news Maith! The Wizards have now dumped their next 4 years of 2nd round picks for nothing...but they heroically got under the luxury tax. #winning Meanwhile Nikola Mirotic literally just got traded to the Bucks for 4 2nd round picks. Everyone knows that second round picks are worthless. You can give them to a pizza delivery guy if you don't want to pony up a fiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime L Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 22 hours ago, briantw said: The East is gonna be crazy this postseason. Really hope the Raptors do the rumored Lowry/Jonas for Conley/Gasol trade. That would be fun. If the Bucks find a way to get Anthony Davis, the second round would be a bloodbath with them, Boston, Philly, and Toronto. Well the Raptors now have Gasol. The Bucks didn't get AD but they got Mirotic. Philly has already loaded up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Jaime L said: Loser franchises stay losers Idk if you're into soccer or not, but for a long time now I've been thinking that European soccer has perfected the sports format. The one thing I'm iffy on is the lack of a draft and cap, because it creates massive power imbalances, but everything else is great. Relegation, in particular is an excellent concept. I can't see how it can be introduced into American sports leagues, but I've been wondering for a while if we couldn't create a system to relegate bad owners. Idk how you'd do it nor do I know what a good standard would be, but I'm sick and tired of having a terrible owner who does idiotic things. There needs to be a way to get these people up and out of here if it becomes abundantly clear that they are not fit to run an organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 The strange and bizarre tale of Markelle Fultz in Philly has come to an end. He can languish in Orlando with the ghost of Penny Hardaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Jaime L said: Well the Raptors now have Gasol. The Bucks didn't get AD but they got Mirotic. Philly has already loaded up. Brick killed a guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rhom said: The strange and bizarre tale of Markelle Fultz in Philly has come to an end. He can languish in Orlando with the ghost of Penny Hardaway. He needed to restart his career else where anyways. Good for him. Man, there are four monster teams now in the East. I still favor the Bucks or the Raptors. The Celtics and Sixers have better rosters, but the Celtics still haven't gelled well enough and while the Sixers have the best starting unit, they have a non-existent bench. Bomani Jones made a good point comparing them the stacked Clippers teams from a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Kyrie and Lebron going back and forth in the 4th has been fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Proudfeet said: Eh, . Don't think that was what you were going for, but I just hate arbitrary stats without context. Hit on injury and free agent lottery? I think they are basically going all in on a high risk high return strategy. Since the general culture is championship or bust, where even second place is viewed as a failure, it doesn't make much difference if they end up as a lottery team if they feel that their current ceiling is a first or second round exit. That's how I would rationalise it anyway. Otherwise they might just have a more positive view on the upside of their current structure. I’m honestly confused. What context am I missing? It seems a pretty linear point to me...an NBA network show put up a list of great scorers whose career games of 40 points or more were fewer than Harden’s put up in this ~2/3rds of a season alone. I just chose to mention Dirk because I think of him as primarily a great scorer. The only point is about how historic what Harden’s doing is...I’m really not sure what context could even be added. If I’d picked a HOFer who was more like a defensive guy or w/e, like a Pippen or pure passer or w/e maybe, but Dirk was if anything much more one dimensional than Harden is, and if it’s efficiency Dirk’s (by a fair margin) highest TS% was .612. Harden’s career TS% is .610, and this year sits at .624...so....again, confused. Edit, for clarity in case I’m being obtuse, the point I’m making: Harden has more 40 or more point games in 51 games this season than Dirk had in 1493 games in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, James Arryn said: I’m honestly confused. What context am I missing? It seems a pretty linear point to me...an NBA network show put up a list of great scorers whose career games of 40 points or more were fewer than Harden’s put up in this ~2/3rds of a season alone. I just chose to mention Dirk because I think of him as primarily a great scorer. The only point is about how historic what Harden’s doing is...I’m really not sure what context could even be added. If I’d picked a HOFer who was more like a defensive guy or w/e, like a Pippen or pure passer or w/e maybe, but Dirk was if anything much more one dimensional than Harden is, and if it’s efficiency Dirk’s (by a fair margin) highest TS% was .612. Harden’s career TS% is .610, and this year sits at .624...so....again, confused. You're comparing stats in absolute terms which is not meaningful. TS is relative, so its a good comparison. Much as I dislike it, Harden's ability to get free throws is still a skill. Points per game on the other hand, is absolute and is shit for comparison. You're missing out on their team situations. Harden has a usage rate of almost 40% this year. Dirk has never hit 30%. Pace of the game is increasing and so on. Its not like for like. Dirk doesn't have to score as his teammates do. Harden is the primary ball handler for his team. Is Dirk? There are so many factors in play before scoring ability. 40 point games is arbitrary. Its not as useful as career average where I'm sure Harden compares favourably as well. Its an interesting stat, but you really have to wonder how meaningful it is. It gets especially annoying when people point out x pts x blocks x assists x rebounds since y player. Even though I don't like stats like triple doubles as well, at least I can see the logic. Most of those comparisons are just because they are there. There is no link. Same thing for the winning percentage of Charlotte and New Orleans since that AD draft. Rubbish apples to oranges comparison. I don't even know what I'm replying to anymore honestly. Just so annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, KingintheNorth4 said: Kyrie and Lebron going back and forth in the 4th has been fun to watch. It was surprisingly hurtful that Rondo sank the game winner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 IMO the most interesting storyline this year is who will win the Eastern Conference. The East has four legit teams that all could possibly put things together and win the conference. And three of those teams just made "win now" trades at the deadline. I'm not even totally sure who I favor to come out of the East. The Sixers have the most talent, but no bench. The Raptors have the best player and the best defense. The Bucks have the best shooting. The Celtics have the best coaching and the best depth. The second round and third round of the East playoffs is going to be must see television. In contrast the west has...Golden State. The Rockets are worse than last year. OKC has great defense and two stars, but it's clearly not enough. Everybody else is just a joke (when it comes to beating the Warriors). And sure, whoever emerges from the East is probably going to be too battered to make the Finals terribly interesting, but this is a good consolation prize after Durant ruined the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proudfeet Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Maithanet said: And sure, whoever emerges from the East is probably going to be too battered to make the Finals terribly interesting, Well, you can think of it more positively. The winner of the East would be sharpened and the Warriors will be rusty from rest. It might not be the most realistic scenario, but one could dream right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I can’t agree. This year’s East teams have a legit chance verse the Warriors. The Warriors don’t have a great bench either and one of their core four is a shell of himself. Klay is also having an up and down year. I don’t think the Raptors can beat the Warriors, but I give the other three teams a punchers chance, especially the Bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Those top four teams make the East more interesting than anytime I can remember in a long time. Probably since Jordan retired (for the second time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said: I can’t agree. This year’s East teams have a legit chance verse the Warriors. The Warriors don’t have a great bench either and one of their core four is a shell of himself. Klay is also having an up and down year. I don’t think the Raptors can beat the Warriors, but I give the other three teams a punchers chance, especially the Bucks. We'll see. I mean, "puncher's chance" isn't much of a chance. If GSW is reasonably healthy, I'd give them at least 80% to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime L Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 21 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: Idk if you're into soccer or not, but for a long time now I've been thinking that European soccer has perfected the sports format. The one thing I'm iffy on is the lack of a draft and cap, because it creates massive power imbalances, but everything else is great. Relegation, in particular is an excellent concept. I can't see how it can be introduced into American sports leagues, but I've been wondering for a while if we couldn't create a system to relegate bad owners. Idk how you'd do it nor do I know what a good standard would be, but I'm sick and tired of having a terrible owner who does idiotic things. There needs to be a way to get these people up and out of here if it becomes abundantly clear that they are not fit to run an organization. I don't follow soccer closely but I'm aware of relegation and wish we had it here. Forgot who pointed out the European societies are socialist but their sports leagues are run capitalist whereas America is capitalist but all sports leagues are run socialist. Our leagues give so many benefits to awful teams (basically those that are too incompetent or cheaply run to be successful), specifically high draft picks and revenue sharing. The biggest issue is teams have way too many incentives to tank. And like you said there's no ramifications for a team being terrible for decades. I mean look at the Knicks, probably the worst team in the last two decades, and they're the most valuable franchise in the NBA despite themselves. And tanking is the worst in the NBA where in a lot of cases fans prefer missing the playoffs over barely making it. Would love there to be a relegation system that would force, say, the Knicks to play hard the entire way or risk being replaced by Des Moines. Also like that it would punish Dolan's incompetence. Good luck making money hand over fist while being awful in some 2nd tier basketball league. The main thing I'm curious about though is what these European leagues have in place of the draft. What mechanism exists to give hope to bad teams in a league over there? Like if Zion were a soccer player, how is it determined who gets him? Is it just who bids the most? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jaime L said: The main thing I'm curious about though is what these European leagues have in place of the draft. What mechanism exists to give hope to bad teams in a league over there? Like if Zion were a soccer player, how is it determined who gets him? Is it just who bids the most? He would probably already have been attached to a club for 8 years. Players are generally developed through youth systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 @Jaime L As BFC said, they move up through teams youth systems. For example, I believe FC Barcelona brought Messi from Argentina to Spain when he was like 12 or 13, and since then he's moved up the ranks of their youth academies to becoming the greatest player the team has ever had. This gives the rich teams a huge advantage, so the other teams have two ways to climb, they can do an excellent job at scouting young talent and make money when the players transfer so they can slowly grow, or they can be bought by a shady Russian oligarch who is willing to dump tons of cash into the program (go Chelsea! ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 We need a new thread, but all the titles I came up with were super hacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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