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NBA 2018: Fear the Deer

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20 minutes ago, Relic said:

LeBron didn't put this team together. Steering Davis to LA, as you put it, would be to "bail out" management who made some really shitty decisions in the past....8 years, really. 

Why would LeBron need to be "bailed out"? You're such a hater, lol

Again, Rich Paul doesn't give two shits about Lakers management.  LeBron is his meal ticket.

And he needs to be bailed out because the Lakers are a bad team that is in serious danger of missing the playoffs, especially if LeBron misses any more time.  Further, all of their assets have decreased in value since the summer.  Well, except their draft pick I guess.

That's why you're seeing this push for Davis now.  LeBron is getting frustrated and is using his agency leverage to try to get it.

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4 hours ago, briantw said:

Again, Rich Paul doesn't give two shits about Lakers management.  LeBron is his meal ticket.

And he needs to be bailed out because the Lakers are a bad team that is in serious danger of missing the playoffs, especially if LeBron misses any more time.  Further, all of their assets have decreased in value since the summer.  Well, except their draft pick I guess.

That's why you're seeing this push for Davis now.  LeBron is getting frustrated and is using his agency leverage to try to get it.

LeBron to LA never made sense at the time and less so now.  The fact that the roster was hot garbage before does not make it valuable now.  I feel bad for Julius Randle, he pulled a Kurt Russel and managed to Escape From LA only to wind up in New Orleans where all the dudes that underwhelmed out there will be joining him.

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2 hours ago, Maithanet said:

Yes, the pre-Durant Warriors were a very deep team with a lot of talented role players to round out the stars of Curry, Green and Thompson.  But remember that the 90s Bulls had a lot of talent beyond just Jordan and Pippin as well.  Maybe not as good as Green/Iguodala/Livingston/Bogut/Barnes, but still a very talented bunch. 

But what makes Thompson noteworthy is that very very few NBA stars are actually at their best as complementary players.  Lebron is awesome, and he'll make his teammates better, but he needs the ball to do it.  Likewise Durant, Curry, Davis, etc.  But Thompson is at his most lethal running without the ball, and that is a rare skill indeed.  Combine that with a well rounded skillset of passing, rebounding and defense, and you have an ideal player for forming a superteam.  Just like Pippin. 

I agree Thompson is a fantastic complimentary player to a superstar. Maybe the ideal one for one who loves being completely ball dominant. Probably Kobe's dream teammate. And he's probably the most low maintenance guys in history, both on and off the court.

But I think Kawhi is actually the Pippen analogue of this generation.

Both are on the short list of greatest perimeter defenders of all time and either can be a #1 on a very good team or a #2 on an all world team. It's why I wanted to see Kawhi team up with Lebron as I don't think a better on court sidekick exists (off court, well....). 

I think Proudfeet was getting at this, but the difference between Klay and Pippen is Pippen could also handle some of the ball handling/playmaking load to allow Jordan to rest both in and out of the game. No superstar can do every single thing to create offensively for his team (though James Harden is doing his best effort to try this year) so having that secondary playmaker is vital. Although in fairness in terms of playmaking Pippen was a 6 APG guy and Kawhi is only 3. But Kawhi can also self-create in a way Klay (and even Pippen) couldn't which is the kinda skillset I think you want in your #1 or your #2. 

 

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1 minute ago, Rhom said:

LeBron to LA never made sense at the time and less so now.  The fact that the roster was hot garbage before does not make it valuable now.  I feel bad for Julius Randle, he pulled a Kurt Russel and managed to Escape From LA only to wind up in New Orleans where all the dudes that underwhelmed out there will be joining him.

Well, it didn't make sense if you assume he made the decision solely on basketball.  It makes more sense when you consider he's planting the seeds for his post-NBA Hollywood career, which is why he chose LA, as that's where he plans to live after he retires so he can act and produce.  

The most baffling thing to me was that he signed a deal that locks him in for three years before he can get out of it, which effectively kills any leverage he might have had to force the Lakers into making moves.  The Lakers can afford to be patient because they know LeBron isn't going anywhere, but it's obvious that LeBron is starting to get frustrated, as is par for the course for him in January/February.  Remember, he was actively throwing games for the Cavs last year around this time to force them to make some trades.

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10 minutes ago, Jaime L said:

I agree Thompson is a fantastic complimentary player to a superstar. Maybe the ideal one for one who loves being completely ball dominant. Probably Kobe's dream teammate. And he's probably the most low maintenance guys in history, both on and off the court.

But I think Kawhi is actually the Pippen analogue of this generation.

Both are on the short list of greatest perimeter defenders of all time and either can be a #1 on a very good team or a #2 on an all world team. It's why I wanted to see Kawhi team up with Lebron as I don't think a better on court sidekick exists (off court, well....). 

I think Proudfeet was getting at this, but the difference between Klay and Pippen is Pippen could also handle some of the ball handling/playmaking load to allow Jordan to rest both in and out of the game. No superstar can do every single thing to create offensively for his team (though James Harden is doing his best effort to try this year) so having that secondary playmaker is vital. Although in fairness in terms of playmaking Pippen was a 6 APG guy and Kawhi is only 3. But Kawhi can also self-create in a way Klay (and even Pippen) couldn't which is the kinda skillset I think you want in your #1 or your #2.

Thompson isn't quite as good with the ball as Pippin or Leonard, but he's capable enough.  It's just that he is never asked to do that (in fact he is actively encouraged not to do it, since if there's any ball handling to do beyond Curry + Durant, Green definitely wants it). 

And while I love Kawhi's game, I didn't include him as the ideal complimentary player just because his personality doesn't seem like a great fit for being second banana to anybody.  Although who really knows, since Kawhi never talks. 

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Trade deadline could be lit. 

ETA: NM, Wow  

 

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1 hour ago, Jaime L said:

Trade deadline could be lit. 

ETA: NM, Wow  

 

Yeah... that was fast.  I saw a thing from "Fake SportsCenter" a couple hours ago and didn't think much of it... and now BAM there it goes.

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I'll admit, I don't know much about Wesley Matthews and Dennis Smith, but this looks like a terrible trade for the Knicks.  What are they doing?  Is this just about creating cap room?  Because trading your best long term player for cap room is pretty rough on the ol' fanbase. 

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JFC.  Always been glad I bandwagoned onto the Penny/Shaq Magic as a kid so I didn't have to be a Knicks fan, but god damn.  What the hell was the point of that?

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So did the Knicks just accept the first offer they got for the dude?  Because we went from him meeting with the Knicks to him wanting a trade to him being traded over the course of like two hours lol.

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2 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

I'll admit, I don't know much about Wesley Matthews and Dennis Smith, but this looks like a terrible trade for the Knicks.  What are they doing?  Is this just about creating cap room?  Because trading your best long term player for cap room is pretty rough on the ol' fanbase. 

Wesley Matthews is likely a buy out candidate. Smith has a lot of talent and is an immense athlete but is still pretty raw in all the things you want him to be good at (shooting, defense, distributing). Really looks like this was made because Porzingis wanted out, Smith Jr was someone they liked a lot in the draft and they freed up enough cap space for 2 max slots next year. Combine that with a potential top 3 pick of Zion/Barrett/Morant + Knox, maybe they see some hope? I don't know. Knicks fans pretty pissed.

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1 minute ago, briantw said:

So did the Knicks just accept the first offer they got for the dude?  Because we went from him meeting with the Knicks to him wanting a trade to him being traded over the course of like two hours lol.

This must have been worked on for a bit. I doubt it came together this fast.

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Who is the max deal free agent this summer that won't sign with the Knicks, but the front office thinks there's hope for? KD?

Is this just about clearing cap space for him?

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You trade your best asset - and probably your second best non-draft pick asset in Tim Hardaway, for Dennis Smith, DeAndre Jordan, and cap relief?  Can't find a better offer than that?  Fucking ridiculous.

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2 minutes ago, Mexal said:

This must have been worked on for a bit. I doubt it came together this fast.

Yeah, but man...I feel like they could have gotten more.  

It seems the point of this is to open up a ton of cap space, but the Knicks haven't been able to attract anyone worth a damn in decades, so not sure how viable that strategy is.  Maybe they can get Kyrie?  

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Knicks are clearing up cap space for a run at 2 max FAs which means Kyrie/Durant. Whether they can attract them here or not is a different story but it's clear that's what they're doing. 

 

 

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Aye.  Still most likely could have got a shitload more for what  they gave up.

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1 minute ago, Mexal said:

Wesley Matthews is likely a buy out candidate. Smith has a lot of talent and is an immense athlete but is still pretty raw in all the things you want him to be good at (shooting, defense, distributing). Really looks like this was made because Porzingis wanted out, Smith Jr was someone they liked a lot in the draft and they freed up enough cap space for 2 max slots next year. Combine that with a potential top 3 pick of Zion/Barrett/Morant + Knox, maybe they see some hope? I don't know. Knicks fans pretty pissed.

But weren't people saying that the Knicks were a team Durant was considering, and that Porzingis would be a good fit with him?  Am I just imagining that second part?  I dunno, I'm always SUPER skeptical of teams clearing up a ton of room for cap space on the assumption that multiple all stars are about to sign with them.  That has worked out exactly once (Miami) and blown up in the face of a whole bunch of teams, including the Knicks.  If all you have to offer is cap space, you don't have much.

Even if they get luck and draft Zion, is that really going to interest Durant?  Throwing away the end of your prime while a superstar young talent finds his legs in the league?  Even an absolute dream scenario of Kyrie + Durant + Zion is probably not really built to win a championship right away and an awkward fit of talent to boot. 

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1 minute ago, Maithanet said:

But weren't people saying that the Knicks were a team Durant was considering, and that Porzingis would be a good fit with him?  Am I just imagining that second part?  I dunno, I'm always SUPER skeptical of teams clearing up a ton of room for cap space on the assumption that multiple all stars are about to sign with them.  That has worked out exactly once (Miami) and blown up in the face of a whole bunch of teams, including the Knicks.  If all you have to offer is cap space, you don't have much.

Also worth noting that the Miami one was clearly planned ahead of time by both the three guys involved and Miami.  

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