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NBA 2018: Fear the Deer

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26 minutes ago, briantw said:

If I recall, wasn't Melo even in the conversation for first overall?  It probably would have been more of a conversation if a team other than Cleveland (where LeBron was the hometown hero) had the pick, but still.

Aye if it wasn't Cleveland I expect Melo would've been in the convo at #1 too.

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3 hours ago, briantw said:

If I recall, wasn't Melo even in the conversation for first overall?  It probably would have been more of a conversation if a team other than Cleveland (where LeBron was the hometown hero) had the pick, but still.  I believe Darko rose becuase he was just slaughtering his pre-draft workouts.  I remember reading a story about Dumars and a bunch of Pistons front office and coaching staff watching an impromptu workout the night of the draft lottery and I think that's what swayed them into drafting him over Melo.

LeBron was the consensus number one pick, but there were some scouts that thought that Melo was more polished and pro ready. He was excellent at Syracuse, leading them to a national championship. 

Regarding Darko, I think that's correct. I remember seeing an interview with Billups and he said Darko wowed them when they watched his workout. He also said he knew five minutes into the first practice that he was going to be a bust. 

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5 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

LeBron was the consensus number one pick, but there were some scouts that thought that Melo was more polished and pro ready. He was excellent at Syracuse, leading them to a national championship. 

Regarding Darko, I think that's correct. I remember seeing an interview with Billups and he said Darko wowed them when they watched his workout. He also said he knew five minutes into the first practice that he was going to be a bust. 

I look at Darko very similarly to Bennett.  I think both guys had the skills to be successful, but they both lacked the drive and were mentally soft.

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20 minutes ago, briantw said:

I look at Darko very similarly to Bennett.  I think both guys had the skills to be successful, but they both lacked the drive and were mentally soft.

Perhaps. I could at least see why teams wanted Darko. I never though Bennett would be more than an okay starter. 

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1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said:

Perhaps. I could at least see why teams wanted Darko. I never though Bennett would be more than an okay starter. 

Yeah, he definitely wasn't worth the first pick, but I can at least see the logic there.  He was a strong rebounder despite being undersized and could shoot threes.  Seemed tailor-made for the way the game was trending.

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6 hours ago, briantw said:

I look at Darko very similarly to Bennett.  I think both guys had the skills to be successful, but they both lacked the drive and were mentally soft.

Bargnani was the same way but with more talent than those two.  If Bargnani had a motor and a brain he would be perfect for today's game. Instead he helped the Raps get Kawhi ad is out of the league.

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10 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Regarding Darko, I think that's correct. I remember seeing an interview with Billups and he said Darko wowed them when they watched his workout. He also said he knew five minutes into the first practice that he was going to be a bust. 

The main problem with Darko was in his head. When his head was clear and he was motivated to give his best his best was pretty good. Still, that happened nowhere near as often as one would expect from #2 pick from the strongest draft in the past couple of decades. I mean, the guy skipped 2003 European basketball championship because he had to take a driver's test. You can't make that up.

The guy coasted through Serbian league at the time and didn't step up when he moved to the NBA. He even gave a couple of interviews in the last year or two where he admitted he was more into partying than training once he joined the Pistons. It seems that he's cleared his head as he matured a bit with age and he enjoys his new life as a fruit farm owner so good for him.

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8 hours ago, Slurktan said:

Bargnani was the same way but with more talent than those two.  If Bargnani had a motor and a brain he would be perfect for today's game.

Bargnani was drafted in a pretty shitty draft.  Sure, the Raptors should've taken Aldridge, but Bargnani was never expected to do much more than he actually did.

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4 hours ago, baxus said:

The main problem with Darko was in his head. When his head was clear and he was motivated to give his best his best was pretty good. Still, that happened nowhere near as often as one would expect from #2 pick from the strongest draft in the past couple of decades. I mean, the guy skipped 2003 European basketball championship because he had to take a driver's test. You can't make that up.

The guy coasted through Serbian league at the time and didn't step up when he moved to the NBA. He even gave a couple of interviews in the last year or two where he admitted he was more into partying than training once he joined the Pistons. It seems that he's cleared his head as he matured a bit with age and he enjoys his new life as a fruit farm owner so good for him.

I’d Say he did more than just your standard interviews. He allowed a deep dive into his life, his failures and his new life and finding peace.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20211833/nba-bust-darko-milicic-finds-success-back-home-serbia

 

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On 11/20/2018 at 6:36 AM, DMC said:

Bargnani was drafted in a pretty shitty draft.  Sure, the Raptors should've taken Aldridge, but Bargnani was never expected to do much more than he actually did.

Just to gloat for a moment (Portland fans don't have a ton to gloat about so I hope you'll indulge me) how good did Portland look taking Aldridge and Roy in that draft?  This is part of where the phrase "Pritchslap" came from.  

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13 hours ago, baxus said:

@Tywin et al. Yeah, that's the article I mentioned. It was a pretty good read.

I figured. There's also an 60 minutes episode on it, but I couldn't find a clean version to link.

One of my majors in college was psychology, and I've always loved digging into the minds of professional athletes because they live such an unique experience. It helps you understand to some degree why they succeed and fail, and what drives them. Just look at the Fultz situation. There's no doubt that he's uber talented, but he's short circuiting mentally and it would be fascinating to find out why.

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

Just look at the Fultz situation. There's no doubt that he's uber talented, but he's short circuiting mentally and it would be fascinating to find out why.

Something about Fultz that I don't tire of mentioning:

His one season at Washington they went 10-20.  And not with some unreal pre-season, but even if they had....that is a bad team.  And it's not like the Pac-12 was too special then either.  Everyone had this guys rated highly out of HS and still after that one and done, but how often does a team with OK talent add the top recruit or close to the top recruit and have that shit of a season.  It is virtually unheard of.  That was a huge red flag to me.  Something there is not right.  

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8 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

One of my majors in college was psychology, and I've always loved digging into the minds of professional athletes because they live such an unique experience. It helps you understand to some degree why they succeed and fail, and what drives them. Just look at the Fultz situation. There's no doubt that he's uber talented, but he's short circuiting mentally and it would be fascinating to find out why.

One of my best friends has met the guy who was a psychologist for New York Yankees and some other pro sport teams and the guy says that pro athletes are all the same from the neck down. Obviously, that doesn't mean that basketball players are the same as hockey players, but that they all are at the desired level of skill and fitness to perform at the highest level in their sports. The difference is in their mindset. Darko clearly didn't have the mindset to become a successful NBA player but it seems he has the mindset to be a successful fruit farmer.

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8 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

4 in a row for GS. Amazing how fragile these great big giant men are when they get a bit upset. 

Yup. I wondered if this would happen, and now it did. Enjoyable.

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11 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

4 in a row for GS. Amazing how fragile these great big giant men are when they get a bit upset. 

I mean, we already knew Durant was incredibly fragile.  You gotta be to create a bunch of fake Instagram and Twitter accounts to defend yourself online when you're a millionaire superstar NBA player.

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28 minutes ago, briantw said:

I mean, we already knew Durant was incredibly fragile.  You gotta be to create a bunch of fake Instagram and Twitter accounts to defend yourself online when you're a millionaire superstar NBA player.

Durant is a child. His favorite activity is playing videogames at home. 

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14 hours ago, Relic said:

Durant is a child. His favorite activity is playing videogames at home. 

That only means he has more time on his hands than I'd expect from a basketball superstar.

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On 11/21/2018 at 6:46 PM, Triskele said:

Something about Fultz that I don't tire of mentioning:

His one season at Washington they went 10-20.  And not with some unreal pre-season, but even if they had....that is a bad team.  And it's not like the Pac-12 was too special then either.  Everyone had this guys rated highly out of HS and still after that one and done, but how often does a team with OK talent add the top recruit or close to the top recruit and have that shit of a season.  It is virtually unheard of.  That was a huge red flag to me.  Something there is not right.  

Ben Simmons at LSU. 

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