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Bakker LVI: the Rectum of Creation

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50 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

So is this where I confess I've never seen a Mad Max film?

I've only seen one. And I own two of them...on Blu Ray.

huh.

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I just find it funny that a lot of the criticism about the GoT ending seems to apply to TUC a lot more than it applies to GoT. I see people calling GoT "nihilist" or "postmodernist" or whatever. I don't have a firm grasp on those terms but GoT seems fairly traditional compared to a lot of the fantasy I've read. Also, "and then they all die" isn't how I'd describe the GoT finale at all, but it's almost literally the ending of TUC.

 

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On 5/28/2019 at 6:37 PM, Hello World said:
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I just find it funny that a lot of the criticism about the GoT ending seems to apply to TUC a lot more than it applies to GoT. I see people calling GoT "nihilist" or "postmodernist" or whatever. I don't have a firm grasp on those terms but GoT seems fairly traditional compared to a lot of the fantasy I've read. Also, "and then they all die" isn't how I'd describe the GoT finale at all, but it's almost literally the ending of TUC.

 

Hah true, Just last week, i actually used the series as a point of reference for why the GOt ending was relatively not bad on another board.

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the GOt ending was relatively not bad on another board.

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both are fairly traditional, well within the scope of post-tolkienian secondary creation, surely.  i think tolkien did more or less kill the entire cast in the silmarillion, except for the guy on the sky-boat? postmodern would be tristram shandy with less widow wadman and more rape aliens.

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I just checked Bakker's blog... nothing in over half a year. Hopefully some progress has been made in the meantime, on whatever's to come next.

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Delving into that cesspit again, I found this hilarious quote from Seth Dickinson (author of the Traitor Baru Cormorant):

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The incomprehensible stuff is just 101 level undergrad psych with a gloss of moral panic, a generous dash of anti-Continental philosophy, and a gallon of sexual violence. "We don't understand our own brains, therefore rape" is all his fiction in a nutshell.

 

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that colloquy is annoying--the website's design is not useful and the interlocutor is needlessly confrontational--standard reddit. probably an uncharitable review, similar to capsules on goodreads that some jerks thereon may from time to time write.

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On 6/14/2019 at 12:59 PM, Kalbear said:

Delving into that cesspit again, I found this hilarious quote from Seth Dickinson (author of the Traitor Baru Cormorant):

 

I don't entirely disagree with him on that point, but Seth comes off a bit churlish and jealous in that post. Darth, what was your issue with Traitor, again? I actually liked it -- I felt it implemented basic economics in drama far more effectively than, say, Coin and Dagger, which came across somewhat slapdash in the last volume. Can't say the same for Dickinson's second Cormorant novel, though, which basically killed my interest in continuing within the first 100 pages.

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The whole evil empire that has to eliminate the homos thing was so heavy handed and poorly executed it made me cringe, plus I actually though the economics were crap, the twist was predictable and trite, and the main character so unlikable I wanted her to fail. So, well, everything about it.

Anyway, do we know Lordofswans? I feel like that's someone who posted here at one point.

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The best way I think I can put it is the first Cormorant novel felt like some on on the extreme right, like John Ringo, trying to write what they think someone on the far left would write.

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50 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

The best way I think I can put it is the first Cormorant novel felt like some on on the extreme right, like John Ringo, trying to write what they think someone on the far left would write.

Dickinson, from what I've gathered, was a Something Awful alumni, and his perspective might have been charted as that site's forums shifted from the early days free-for-all shitposting to a more streamlined, mostly-far-left emphasis. I got more the feeling that the project was an attempt at far-left epic fantasy, through the lens of an internet-educated white guy (tho I guess he attempted a PhD in neuroscience?). I think the attempt was genuine, the execution, on the other hand, is in the eye of the beholder. The second novel, as far as I got into it, introduced a ton of new POVs with seemingly only tangental relation to what occurred in the first novel--and weren't introduced effectively, IMO--and regressed the main character in a strange, awkward way. I lost interest after that.

I wonder if anyone has a line on Bakker? The Second Apocalypse forums seem mostly moribund.

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Hmmm not sure how much I can say without getting into trouble but lets say the people who did have a line on Bakker are..no longer welcome here.

16 minutes ago, kuenjato said:

Dickinson, from what I've gathered, was a Something Awful alumni, and his perspective might have been charted as that site's forums shifted from the early days free-for-all shitposting to a more streamlined, mostly-far-left emphasis. I got more the feeling that the project was an attempt at far-left epic fantasy, through the lens of an internet-educated white guy (tho I guess he attempted a PhD in neuroscience?). I think the attempt was genuine, the execution, on the other hand, is in the eye of the beholder. The second novel, as far as I got into it, introduced a ton of new POVs with seemingly only tangental relation to what occurred in the first novel--and weren't introduced effectively, IMO--and regressed the main character in a strange, awkward way. I lost interest after that.

I wonder if anyone has a line on Bakker? The Second Apocalypse forums seem mostly moribund.

Ha, that explains a lot. And yeah I don't think it wasn't a genuine attempt, just that as you said, the internet-educated white guy shone through a LOT, and was as about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.

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dunno.  nuance and subtlety and nonobviousness are also eye of the beholder. i thought for instance that the foucauldian components of the judging eye were obvious as fuck to the point of tendentiousness, but it is not normally what is noted in discussions of that novel. 

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