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16 hours ago, WarGalley said:

Holy fuck! The weather gods were with us!!!!

That collapse by Utah was really something.  Northwestern started to really take advantage, but that first pick when Utah was driving was about as bad of a just throw it to the D pick as possible.  Then when in the red zone again he has one of the worst fumble it in a way that lets the D return it 80 yards for a TD fumbles imaginable.  Utah's coaching staff has to be absolutely sick.

What is this Kentucky up 20-7 score that I see!?!

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25 minutes ago, Triskele said:

What is this Kentucky up 20-7 score that I see!?!

That one doesn’t surprise me at all. Kentucky has beaten a few teams better than Penn St this season. When Vegas made the line for that game it’s like they didn’t notice Penn St wasn’t very good this year. 

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45 minutes ago, Ferrum Aeternum said:

That one doesn’t surprise me at all. Kentucky has beaten a few teams better than Penn St this season. When Vegas made the line for that game it’s like they didn’t notice Penn St wasn’t very good this year. 

True, or just figured that the world wouldn't value Kentucky enough based on program history.

Congrats, Cats fans.  

Now a question as Urban gets ready:  Is there any chance that this is actually his last college game and does the result of this game have any possibility of having bearing on this?  Is there a chance that he'd actual retire with a win but come back somewhere if Washington beat them today?  

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Big win for the Cats.  First time in my lifetime that they have won 10 games in a season.  At 27-7 I thought we had the game sealed away... then I had visions of Kentucky teams of years past trying to give the thing away as a QB with a broken foot ran all over us. :lol: 

Losing a lot of great pieces from this team, but we do have some depth for the first time that I recall; so next year could still be another good year for us.

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Apparently Holgo is leaving for UH.  I’ve always liked Holgerson but after this season I have to say that I’m not entirely sorry to see him go.  Best offense he’s had at WVU and limped to a disappointing 8 win season.  Terrible bowl record, soft, undisciplined teams, horrible defense.  Typically I’ve defended Holgs against the small but vocal crew of WVU fans who have always hated him, but 8 years in and we aren’t in a bad place - but we aren’t improving either so it’s hard to be upset by it.  With what we lose on offense, the 2019 season figures to be a rough ride and Holgs could have found himself on the hot seat sooner rather than later.  I think he was the right coach at the right time for us, getting us reorganized for the Big 12 style of football and keeping us out of the conference basement.  The dude is definitely one of the characters of college football which I’ll also miss.

That said, word is that UH offered him more money and WVU AD declined to match and I do not blame him.  Holgs had a raise / extension pretty recently and this season was not raise worthy so I think he and WVU have reached a natural point of separation.  As long as the WVU admin doesn’t bungle the hire completely I’m looking forward to a fresh start.  

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27 minutes ago, S John said:

Apparently Holgo is leaving for UH.  I’ve always liked Holgerson but after this season I have to say that I’m not entirely sorry to see him go.  Best offense he’s had at WVU and limped to a disappointing 8 win season.  Terrible bowl record, soft, undisciplined teams, horrible defense.  Typically I’ve defended Holgs against the small but vocal crew of WVU fans who have always hated him, but 8 years in and we aren’t in a bad place - but we aren’t improving either so it’s hard to be upset by it.  With what we lose on offense, the 2019 season figures to be a rough ride and Holgs could have found himself on the hot seat sooner rather than later.  I think he was the right coach at the right time for us, getting us reorganized for the Big 12 style of football and keeping us out of the conference basement.  The dude is definitely one of the characters of college football which I’ll also miss.

That said, word is that UH offered him more money and WVU AD declined to match and I do not blame him.  Holgs had a raise / extension pretty recently and this season was not raise worthy so I think he and WVU have reached a natural point of separation.  As long as the WVU admin doesn’t bungle the hire completely I’m looking forward to a fresh start.  

I had wondered why he left. I didn’t consider UH to be a step up, but it would be an easier recruiting ground and much easier conference to win. :dunno: 

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1 hour ago, S John said:

That said, word is that UH offered him more money and WVU AD declined to match and I do not blame him.  Holgs had a raise / extension pretty recently and this season was not raise worthy so I think he and WVU have reached a natural point of separation.  As long as the WVU admin doesn’t bungle the hire completely I’m looking forward to a fresh start.  

Perfect opportunity for you guys to give Neal Brown (Troy) the step up he deserves. He's going to lead some Power 5 team to a conference title one day.

If you can't get there with Brown, Bill Clark at UAB also would be a nice choice. 

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2 hours ago, Ferrum Aeternum said:

Perfect opportunity for you guys to give Neal Brown (Troy) the step up he deserves. He's going to lead some Power 5 team to a conference title one day.

If you can't get there with Brown, Bill Clark at UAB also would be a nice choice. 

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!!!!!

But yes... Neal Brown is my hoped for successor to Stoops.  In my ideal world, Stoops goes for 10 wins next year again... Taggart continues to suck wind at FSU... the Seminoles call to bring Stoops back, and we bring Neal Brown home.

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4 hours ago, Rhom said:

I had wondered why he left. I didn’t consider UH to be a step up, but it would be an easier recruiting ground and much easier conference to win. :dunno: 

I think one day it might be an easier path to the playoff as well.  I think we'll see 8 teams eventually and if that happens there are a handful of G5 schools who can potentially take advantage of that situation big time.  Teams like Boise, UCF, Cincinnati, Houston might find that blasting most of your schedule and going 12-0 could get you an at-large playoff spot more easily than grinding it out in a P5 conference.  Holgs may not have been able to get a P5 team there but, if expansion happens, I think his high powered O could get a team like Houston there on the back of an easier schedule / being a big-ish fish in a small pond.  

4 hours ago, Ferrum Aeternum said:

Perfect opportunity for you guys to give Neal Brown (Troy) the step up he deserves. He's going to lead some Power 5 team to a conference title one day.

If you can't get there with Brown, Bill Clark at UAB also would be a nice choice. 

Neal Brown and Luke Fickell seem to be the dudes most talked about in WVU land.  Most seem to want Brown, but being an Ohio guy Fickell might have better luck recruiting WVU's region right away.  I'm OK with either (or Clark), just somebody bring a god damn defense. 

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14 hours ago, S John said:

Neal Brown and Luke Fickell seem to be the dudes most talked about in WVU land.  Most seem to want Brown, but being an Ohio guy Fickell might have better luck recruiting WVU's region right away.  I'm OK with either (or Clark), just somebody bring a god damn defense. 

Clark is a defense guy. Personally I find what he's done at UAB to be astounding, considering the near impossible circumstances. He will get a chance somewhere else before long.

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7 hours ago, Ferrum Aeternum said:

Clark is a defense guy. Personally I find what he's done at UAB to be astounding, considering the near impossible circumstances. He will get a chance somewhere else before long.

Big 12 has probably colored my perception, but I feel that capable O coordinators are a dime a dozen.  As personal preference based on the last 8 years, I think I'd rather have a defense guy as HC and bring in a promising G5 O coordinator or positions coach who practices a Big 12 compatible offensive philosophy.  Can't go all in on D in this conference, as you do have to be able to score points no matter how good the D is, but I would prefer someone at HC who is more in the mold of Gary Patterson or Bill Snyder vs. a Kingsbury / Gundy / Riley type.  

I'd rather have a solid O that can play ball control sometimes vs an outstanding O that goes 3 and out a lot or tends to score very quickly.  Part of the problem with WVU's Defense the last couple of years is that with Spavital as the O coordinator WVU often either goes 3 and out or they score quickly.  Either way, they aren't usually out there on the field for long stretches of time.  There's little regard for the two sides of the ball working in harmony. 

Ironically, before Spavital was hired as O coordinator when Grier came in, Holgerson was calling the plays with Skyler Howard under center and you could tell that he was figuring that out.  That offense was a lot less flashy and a lot more like something Snyder would run at K State with a more methodical approach, more run heavy than a typical air raid, more designed QB runs, more QB going under center, able to slow down rather than HUNH all the time, etc. 

IMO it is no fluke that we won 10 games playing that way with an undersized and often inaccurate (but really tough) QB, yet only managed to win 8 with a sure NFLer like Grier.  There has to be a dedication to the run and to controlling the clock to help out your defense.  I think Dana knows this and kind of sold out to the air raid all over again in order to land Grier, and I hope whoever we get as HC and OC doesn't have to figure it out all over again.  

 

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@S John sounds like you have your guy.  Color me a bit jealous.  Brown has been my hoped for Stoops replacement for years now.

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21 minutes ago, Rhom said:

@S John sounds like you have your guy.  Color me a bit jealous.  Brown has been my hoped for Stoops replacement for years now.

Yea, I'm pretty stoked on the hire actually.  It feels like we were really lucky that this guy was available.  What I've heard is that other schools did interview him (notably K State) but wanted him to retain certain staff while WVU is letting him clean house and bring his own people if he wants.  Excited to see where we are in a couple of years under Brown. 

Also I'm happy with how the process played out.  Compared to some of the hiring debacles and head coach drama that WVU experienced during the last two hires - the Rodriguez meltdown and knee-jerk Stewart hire, followed by Holgerson's disastrous head-coach-in-waiting situation that got Stew fired early - this has been a really smooth process.  And I like the pick.  Gives me confidence in our AD who really hasn't been called upon to handle any major / public decisions until this one.  I think he did a nice job all around.  Seems everything was handled very professionally by everyone.  Props to Holgerson for that too.  

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1 hour ago, WarGalley said:

Interesting..

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25674974/tickets-cfp-title-game-less-expensive-before

Tickets to the NC game are as low as $130. For that kind of price, I'm debating about going to the game by myself since I live nearby..

It’d be worth it.

Finebaum has been making a big deal about it for a few days now.  I understand his viewership, but it’s still disheartening to see the ignorance of how the world works.  People keep calling in or texting and asking why the game isn’t being played in the south... because the location was set YEARS ago!!!! If this was a decade ago and it featured USC and Texas, it would be a perfect location.  But it features two teams from the old south, and it is damn inconvenient.

It also exposes the hard part about playoff expansion.  Tough to ask a fan base to attend a conference championship, a first round (even if hosted at a school), then a semifinal bowl, followed by a championship.

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On 1/4/2019 at 4:47 PM, WarGalley said:

Interesting..

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25674974/tickets-cfp-title-game-less-expensive-before

Tickets to the NC game are as low as $130. For that kind of price, I'm debating about going to the game by myself since I live nearby..

I agree with Rhom, you should do it.  Flying solo is nothing a few $11 tall boys can’t smooth over.  

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Very proud of Patrick Willis, who along with Vince Young, Rocket Ismail and several others will be inducted into this coming year's College Football Hall of Fame class. Kudos to David Cutcliffe and Mike McIntyre for taking a chance on a raw but incredibly gifted athlete from one of the smallest high schools in Tennessee, who overcame incredible adversity to become one of the best college LBs I've ever seen (and a damn good pro as well). 

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Just now, Ferrum Aeternum said:

Very proud of Patrick Willis, who along with Vince Young, Rocket Ismail and several others will be inducted into this coming year's College Football Hall of Fame class. Kudos to David Cutcliffe and Mike McIntyre for taking a chance on a raw but incredibly gifted athlete from one of the smallest high schools in Tennessee, who overcame incredible adversity to become one of the best college LBs I've ever seen (and a damn good pro as well). 

Patrick Willis is a favorite of mine.  Bought my nephew a Willis Niners jersey when he was about 2.  He looked good in it!

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So who do you guys have, Roll Tide or Sunshine?

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