Star Trek Discovery #3 [Spoilers] - It's A Wonderful Spock!

[Werthead]

On 3/25/2019 at 9:27 PM, DaveSumm said:

As far as my conversation with Wert went a few pages back, the Prime Universe, the JJ verse and the Mirror Universe are all coexisting parallel universes. Then there’s time splits within a universe, such as Yesterday’s Enterprise and (conjecture at this point) possibly the Red Angel’s interactions with this (prime) universe. But we don’t know if all the events of the prime universe are a result of her interactions, or whether this is a tangent from the prime that will get undone (or not). So if it’s a tangent, then we have possible reason Spock never mentioned Michael (she died when he was young). But I’m willing to bet it’s not considering all the efforts they’ve gone to to crowbar this stuff into the Prime, seems silly to then cop-out like that. 

I haven't seen today's episode, but this is the only thing that makes sense for me.

 

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Well, Section 31 being widely known about and basically operating in the open hasn't been addressed yet either, but I assume it will be. I mean we can see the outllines of why, but currently it's still a contradiction to existing canon. 

 

I think the explanation will be that Section 31 once existed - more or less - in public, but as a result of the Discovery storyline it was "officially" disbanded, whilst "unofficially" going underground. The events of DS9 take place 120 years after this season, so it's reasonable that Starfleet officers wouldn't have heard about it day-to-day. The only problem with that is that I think Bashir looks up the name in the Starfleet records and doesn't find anything, which is harder to explain. Starfleet deleting the organisation from their records would be odd and futile, especially considering the Vulcans and other species live for centuries so you'd have people who'd actively remember that organisation being around.

[Corvinus85]

This guy theorizes the possible Borg connection with Control, concludes it is a separate timeline, and makes a good prediction for the season's end.

 

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

2 hours ago, Corvinus said:

This guy theorizes the possible Borg connection with Control, concludes it is a separate timeline, and makes a good prediction for the season's end.

 

Is this the theory that the events of First Contact, and Enterprise led to Control?

[Corvinus85]

47 minutes ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said:

Is this the theory that the events of First Contact, and Enterprise led to Control?

Yes

[DaveSumm]

Soooooo ..... are they gonna jump to post Voyager times? *crosses all available fingers*

Spock is on the wrong ship, and Georgiou is if they want her spin off series in the same time frame. But they did a thorough job of saying their goodbyes, it’s looking promising.

[Corvinus85]

2 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

Soooooo ..... are they gonna jump to post Voyager times? *crosses all available fingers*

Spock is on the wrong ship, and Georgiou is if they want her spin off series in the same time frame. But they did a thorough job of saying their goodbyes, it’s looking promising.

I think Discovery will end up going in the future without the crew, except Michael. Whether Michael comes back right away is the question.

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

They are jumping 950 years into the future and Ariam's memories are going to help the ship become self aware.

[karaddin]

I don't think jumping just the ship into the future resolves the season in a way that reconciles everything with TOS etc, jumping the core crew that we had minus Spock and Georgiou gives us a set up for future seasons that don't have any of those prequel problems and they seem like they've been wanting to set up those crew as the main cast. It makes the first 2 seasons feel like a very extended prologue, hopefully it means they'll have actual screentime to develop the rest of the characters.

I'd guess the photon torpedo lodged in the Enterprise is what gets G and S off the ship and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an injury on board that winds up bringing Hugh along for the ride too.

[SpaceChampion]

Picard series casting news

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Alison Pill (The Newsroom), Harry Treadaway (Penny Dreadful) and Isa Briones (American Crime Story: Versace) are set as series regulars opposite Patrick Stewart in CBS All Access’ upcoming Star Trek series that will explore the next chapter of Jean-Luc Picard.

 

[DaveSumm]

Well, that was visually amazing. Probably the highest budget looking episode of Trek. It seems a bit strange to make the entire ending of a season about a bunch of other people, focusing on setting up Spock on the Enterprise rather than what happened to Discovery. And it went a bit overboard on ‘we will never, ever, speak of Discovery again’ - I think the series had already done enough just by propelling the ship to the future to make it believable that no one really mentions it. 

So 950 years ... still rather it was after Voyager so everyone could all enjoy the spore drive in the ‘present’. I wonder if the Federation is still around? I seem to recall the time ships that showed up in Voyager were the 29th century?  

[Corvinus85]

I like time-loop stories, like Groundhog Day, but time paradox stories, not so much. It took me a minute to understand why Michael had to quickly go and do the first 5 signals. But it's a major paradox, and stupid to say, oh the suit won't work until, for some reason, you go do these past events; ok, now it works. And the Federation detected all 7 signals when they sent Pike to assume command of Discovery in the beginning. I just don't know...

Was Leland/Control aware of the plan with the time suit? I think he was, otherwise they wouldn't keep mentioning how Michael needed an escort, and it was imperative she be protected, etc. etc. So if he did, when he boarded Discovery, why not just hide somewhere, rather than try to shoot his way to the data? Kinda risky to continue on with the plan when the enemy is on the ship you're trying to send in the future, no? 

The tie off with the timeline, don't talk about Discovery, was weak. Not as bad as what Stargate did in their little Origins show, but still, very meh.

But what about the Kelpians? I bought the premise that we never saw a Kelpian before because they were a pre-warp civilization, and only Saru was part of Starfleet due to his actions and personality, but now it appears the Kelpians are a space faring civilization. Do they not join the Federation?

How strong was that blast door Pike was behind? A photon torpedo goes off, taking out the entire front of the ship, and he just stands there.

42 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

So 950 years ... still rather it was after Voyager so everyone could all enjoy the spore drive in the ‘present’. I wonder if the Federation is still around? I seem to recall the time ships that showed up in Voyager were the 29th century?  

So am I understand that season 3 of Discovery is going to be set 950 years in the future? Could actually be better, unless they contrive a way to return. Will Georgiou's spinoff show be set in this future? Maybe she'll restart Section 31. 

 

[SpaceChampion]

32nd century I think.  Showing empty space and nebula wouldn't be interesting so they'd have to go somewhere, which would be costly to develop a whole new 32nd century design aethetic for, plus have a solid idea of what story they want to tell without tying themselves to something on a whim.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of season 3 they've returned to the 23rd century, or a 24th or 25th.

Michelle Yeoh said the Section 31 show would be after Discovery third season is filmed, so she at least will probably return to the 23rd.

 

[Ran]

21 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

So 950 years ... still rather it was after Voyager so everyone could all enjoy the spore drive in the ‘present’. I wonder if the Federation is still around?

The answer to that can be found in the Short Trek episode "Calypso". 

This really was visually spectacular, but also really badly written and conceptualized. Things like Saru ordering an evasive pattern followed by the shot of Discovery and Enterprise at a stand still weathering a siege makes no sense. Or the fact that 30 Section 31 ships plus hundreds of drone were not able to make mincemeat of both ships (fine, they didn't want to destroy Discovery, but they could have wiped out Enterprise easily enough). Or the way a single blast door override prevents the torpedo from blowing up the ship, and of course the admiral has to die even though Pike could just have had someone lock on to her and transport her out of the room... Or the tired trope of people having long meaningful conversations in the midst of crisis as if they aren't trying to sell the idea that there's not a second to spare to get out of this alive.

And Tilly. Fucking Tilly, man, claiming she can only repair whatever it was with her eyes closed ... and we proceed to see her do just that. WTF? I am so over the character. Poor Mary Wiseman, saddled with so much cringe. 

I think the show needs an entirely new stable of writers, assuming there is a third season planned, or at least new showrunners (again). Whoever conceptualizes the show obviously has a nice sense for visuals, but no sense at all for chaining them together in a cohesive way, and the story side is deeply lacking.

 

 

[red snow]

12 hours ago, SpaceChampion said:

32nd century I think.  Showing empty space and nebula wouldn't be interesting so they'd have to go somewhere, which would be costly to develop a whole new 32nd century design aethetic for, plus have a solid idea of what story they want to tell without tying themselves to something on a whim.

I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of season 3 they've returned to the 23rd century, or a 24th or 25th.

Michelle Yeoh said the Section 31 show would be after Discovery third season is filmed, so she at least will probably return to the 23rd.

 

They didn't bother trying to replicate a pre-enterprise aesthetic so i imagine wherever they are now will probably fit with the aesthetic they've already established. The short episode hinted that there's been a sort of "dark age" in sense the human who turned up seemed a bit more rough and ready and definitely didn't have half a millennium of tech advancement.

[Toth]

On 4/20/2019 at 8:49 PM, Ran said:

This really was visually spectacular, but also really badly written and conceptualized. Things like Saru ordering an evasive pattern followed by the shot of Discovery and Enterprise at a stand still weathering a siege makes no sense. Or the fact that 30 Section 31 ships plus hundreds of drone were not able to make mincemeat of both ships (fine, they didn't want to destroy Discovery, but they could have wiped out Enterprise easily enough). Or the way a single blast door override prevents the torpedo from blowing up the ship, and of course the admiral has to die even though Pike could just have had someone lock on to her and transport her out of the room... Or the tired trope of people having long meaningful conversations in the midst of crisis as if they aren't trying to sell the idea that there's not a second to spare to get out of this alive.

After reading this I actually went and watched a few clips of the battle. I must say... I appreciate that the visuals have been slowly brought back in line with how it should look like. The uniforms, the Enterprise, the Klingon ships (aside that nonsensical ram thing) and even the weapon effects that I really like. The Klingon makeup is still shit despite having been updated as well. Is it so difficult to not glue your actors' mouths shut? The chancellor's dialogue was pure cringe, despite the attempt to align it more with classic Klingon mentality.

And yes, 30 ships against 2? That's ridiculous odds. Have I understood that right that after 20 minutes of continuous onslaught Discovery's shields were only lowered to 38%? What were they shooting with? Airsoft pellets? Also the whole Section 31 evil super fleet is so worn out... Just... stop using them if you don't know what Section 31 does...

One other minor gripe. I'm also thinking Number One is too heavy on the make-up and tan side. I kept questioning myself whether that actually is supposed to be her. Since Majel Barrett's character was the proto-Vulcan I always thought she was above using make-up at all, certainly not to the degree that she kept sparkling as if being dunked into a barrel of Nivea skin cream.

Edit: Also saw some other scenes of Burnham and some other engineering woman talking to Pike and Saru respectively. I can't stand just how awfully disrespectful and dickish they act towards superiors. Is that supposed to be cool? Because it's just juvenile. Orville characters show more class...

[SpaceChampion]

At Comic Con it was announced the Kurtzman era will go forward under the title Star Trek Universe.  I guess  they're thinking along the lines of the MCU?  i.e Discovery, Picard and Lower Decks so far, and the Georgiou / Section 23 show eventually.

 

 

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

The dropped the Short Treks trailer and I love it

 

 

[Corvinus85]

27 minutes ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said:

The dropped the Short Treks trailer and I love it

 

 

It's tribbles!!!

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

57 minutes ago, Corvinus said:

It's tribbles!!!

And Jon Benjamin! Also I kind of agree with Soock and the Prime Directive. 

[williamjm]

1 hour ago, Arch-MaesterPhilip said:

The dropped the Short Treks trailer and I love it

 

 

That does look good. Hopefully, Netflix UK will manage to make them a bit more accessible this time rather than hiding them away.

I recently re-watched the first set of Short Treks and Calypso, after having watched after season 2 of Discovery I wonder if Zora is intended to be some evolution of the sphere data that has infected the Discovery's computers (although she is a much more benevolent A.I. than Control).