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On 11/28/2018 at 12:00 AM, Starkz said:

I’ve been saying Aegon.. not Jon. Dany only says she is Viserys heir because all other Targaryens are dead and there is no other option, supposedly. Viserys wouldn’t want Dany to be his heir. Had Rhaegar not died he could of been King. “My theory” of R+L = J I’ve never even said that and Jon’s parentage doesn’t matter. Jon isn’t in contention for the IT or wants it. I’ve been saying Aegon should and will be on the IT.. not Jon.

No, Rhaegar would never have been king.  Aerys disinherited him.  Aerys preferred Viserys over Rhaegar.  Aegon has a chance of being legit but there is also a good chance of him being a Blackfyre.  That would put him behind Daenerys in the line of succession.  Assuming a line of succession even exists.  When the crown passed to Viserys, all of Rhaegar's children, be they Aegon or Jon (there are very good evidence that support they are not his sons) got disinherited.    

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On 12/2/2018 at 1:48 AM, Here's Looking At You, Kid said:

This.  Good point. 

What we have here in this topic is an OP who is not really speculating but rather writing their own story.  It is ridiculous.  A younger person naming an older person her heir.   

That Starkz isn't the author of this thread and I'm long time not participating in this one.

 

 

EDIT: Just read your post more carefully. Dany is of age as any other person, has dragons & age difference isn't quite big.

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2 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

No, Rhaegar would never have been king.  Aerys disinherited him.  Aerys preferred Viserys over Rhaegar.  Aegon has a chance of being legit but there is also a good chance of him being a Blackfyre.  That would put him behind Daenerys in the line of succession.  Assuming a line of succession even exists.  When the crown passed to Viserys, all of Rhaegar's children, be they Aegon or Jon (there are very good evidence that support they are not his sons) got disinherited.    

Blackfyre fAegon would be before Daenerys in the succesion line assuming he can prove his partrilineal line going back to Daemon Blackfyre. 

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6 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

No, Rhaegar would never have been king.  Aerys disinherited him.  Aerys preferred Viserys over Rhaegar.  Aegon has a chance of being legit but there is also a good chance of him being a Blackfyre.  That would put him behind Daenerys in the line of succession.  Assuming a line of succession even exists.  When the crown passed to Viserys, all of Rhaegar's children, be they Aegon or Jon (there are very good evidence that support they are not his sons) got disinherited.    

Rhaeger was never disinherited. I’m not sure where you’re getting that from but Rhaeger never was. Only after his death was Viserys proclaimed Aerys heir.

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17 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

No, Rhaegar would never have been king.  Aerys disinherited him. 

Don't see why Rhaegar would have bothered showing up to fight at the Trident if Aerys had disinherited him. Are you saying Aerys disinherited Rhaegar after he died? IIRC Aerys didn't even disinherit young Rhaenys or baby Aegon, he just named Viserys his heir, placing him ahead of them in the line of succession.

The line of succession could all be moot if (f)Aegon and Daernerys are both unmarried by the time Daenerys gets to Westeros, they should just marry and combine their forces for the good the realm and it's people. Even if Aegon may be a fake he'll still have an army and will most likely be the current ruler of King's Landing if he survives long enough for Dany land in Westeros with her army. 

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21 hours ago, Starkz said:

Rhaeger was never disinherited. I’m not sure where you’re getting that from but Rhaeger never was. Only after his death was Viserys proclaimed Aerys heir.

Here maybe? 

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There is a chance that Rhaegar was actually disinherited - if he and Lyanna didn't went on some silly pleasure while the Realm burned around them but rather ran for their lives from King Aerys II.

This would, of course, entail the fact that Rhaegar was later restored as Heir Apparent after his return to court - but that's not impossible, nor especially unlikely with a man as changeable as mad Aerys.

This is of course no proof that Rhaegar was ever disinherited, but it is not all that unlikely that he was, either. There has to be a (good) explanation as to why a man as dutiful as Rhaegar allowed Aerys and the rebels to tore up the kingdom as much as they had done by the time of his return. And all alternative explanation that have been offered up to this point seem to fail in this task to one degree or the other. Especially those ascribing many and more personal motivations to Aerys or Rhaegar - when what we have been given up this point gives us a pretty solid picture as to why Rhaegar and his father were at odds around the time Lyanna was abducted.

It is strikingly obvious that Aerys II would not have seen the abduction as anything but a confirmation for Rhaegar Targaryen's alleged conspiracy to high treason. And if that's so he would have likely acted accordingly after that.

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GRRM seems fond of succession clusterf***s where characters are given solid reason for doing whatever the hell they want. I always gravitate toward the side of what makes more of a muddy mess than what clears things up in his case. See Robb's will and the accusations of Joff not being a Baratheon as big examples, but there are lots more to be found.

I doubt it will be settled with any certainty, but all of this wouldn't have been brought up repeatedly if it wasn't going to impact the plot and characters' decisions in some way. Those who want to support whomever they wish will cite believing this or not as one of the reasons. And if Aerys did disinherit Rhaegar and it could be strongly proven, the dude was as mad as they get. There's a reason wills start out with declarations of being sound of mind.

The World of Ice and Fire - The Targaryen Kings: Aerys II

Once safely returned to King's Landing, His Grace refused to leave the Red Keep for any cause and remained a virtual prisoner in his own castle for the next four years, during which time he grew ever more wary of those around him, Tywin Lannister in particular. His suspicions extended even to his own son and heir. Prince Rhaegar, he was convinced, had conspired with Tywin Lannister to have him slain at Duskendale. They had planned to storm the town walls so that Lord Darklyn would put him to death, opening the way for Rhaegar to mount the Iron Throne and marry Lord Tywin's daughter.

When Prince Rhaegar and his new wife chose to take up residence on Dragonstone instead of the Red Keep, rumors flew thick and fast across the Seven Kingdoms. Some claimed that the crown prince was planning to depose his father and seize the Iron Throne for himself, whilst others said that King Aerys meant to disinherit Rhaegar and name Viserys heir in his place. Nor did the birth of King Aerys's first grandchild, a girl named Rhaenys, born on Dragonstone in 280 AC, do aught to reconcile father and son. When Prince Rhaegar returned to the Red Keep to present his daughter to his own mother and father, Queen Rhaella embraced the babe warmly, but King Aerys refused to touch or hold the child and complained that she "smells Dornish."

 

The World of Ice and Fire - The Fall of the Dragons: The Year of the False Spring

Had any whiff of proof come into their hands to show that Prince Rhaegar was conspiring against his father, King Aerys's loyalists would most certainly have used it to bring about the prince's downfall. Indeed, certain of the king's men had even gone so far as to suggest that Aerys should disinherit his "disloyal" son, and name his younger brother heir to the Iron Throne in his stead. Prince Viserys was but seven years of age, and his eventual ascension would certainly mean a regency, wherein they themselves would rule as regents.

Above all, King Aerys II was suspicious: suspicious of his own son and heir, Prince Rhaegar; suspicious of his host, Lord Whent; suspicious of every lord and knight who had come to Harrenhal to compete...and even more suspicious of those who chose to absent themselves, the most notable of whom was his former Hand, Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock.

 

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On 11/25/2018 at 11:29 PM, Starkz said:

Viserys never choose Dany to be his heir which you said he did. Furthermore as I’ve already said Viserys wouldn’t want Dany to be his heir.

Viserys would choose Dany to be his heir over Lyanna's child.  Aerys would choose Dany over Lyanna's child.  The Targaryens and the Starks were enemies.  That is why Aerys burned Rickard and Brandon.  They were traitors.  

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1 hour ago, Geo Da Ray said:

Viserys would choose Dany to be his heir over Lyanna's child.  Aerys would choose Dany over Lyanna's child.  The Targaryens and the Starks were enemies.  That is why Aerys burned Rickard and Brandon.  They were traitors.  

Ok.. that has no relevance to anything I’ve been saying. I’m not advocating for “Lyanna son” on the Throne. The Throne belongs to Aegon, as I’ve said multiple times in several different posts. Why are you making this about some supposed son of Lyanna? Both Viserys and Aerys would choose Aegon over Dany as would Rhaegar himself. Elaborating on who Viserys would pick, if Jon supposedly is Lyanna son when it came down to it Viserys would pick him over his sister whom killed him. That doesn’t matter much however as Aegon will claim the Throne.

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George may never reveal the truth but I am confident that King Aerys disinherited Rhaegar.  Rhaegar's last words before leaving King's Landing showed his intentions to call a Great Council.  No heir in his right mind would have done something like that.  If you are the heir to the throne, the very last thing you want is to put the vote before a Great Council.  Damn, you are already the heir!  Why chance it?  They might decide against you!  This tells me that King Aerys told Rhaegar that he chose Viserys to be his successor.  Rhaegar wanted to try to overturn this decision.  He died, and never got to give it the old college try.  Viserys was the heir and he became King Viserys III with Princess Daenerys as his heir.

Maybe Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna.  Maybe she ran away on her own.  What mattered here is the fact that Rhaegar sheltered her.  A short letter from her, even by her likely poor grammar, to say she ran away on her own might have prevented Brandon from attempting to murder the royal family.  A responsible person would have made her write that letter.  Rhaegar did not.  I would have disinherited that blonde idiot too.

Say there is a chance of R+L=J being true.  Aerys and for sure Varys, would have been on to this.  You are Aerys.  You suspect the Starks and the Baratheons of plotting against you.  The first move you would make is to disinherit your idiot son for causing this mess.  Most important of all, you do not want the grandchild of your enemy to inherit your kingdom.  

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2 minutes ago, The Transporter said:

Damn, you are already the heir!  Why chance it? 

Let’s see... he knew his father w/ a complete nutjob and a danger to himself and others. And that’s including the high lords. If the heads of some major houses got too displeased w/ the king, a rebellion could occur that could even end the Targ dynasty. Oh wait...

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There are clues pointing to Aegon having Targaryen blood.  He is Aegon Mopatis if the father is the magister.  He will be a Blackfyre on his mother's side.  That would put him very far down the line of succession for the throne.  

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20 hours ago, The Transporter said:

George may never reveal the truth but I am confident that King Aerys disinherited Rhaegar.  Rhaegar's last words before leaving King's Landing showed his intentions to call a Great Council.  No heir in his right mind would have done something like that.  If you are the heir to the throne, the very last thing you want is to put the vote before a Great Council.  Damn, you are already the heir!  Why chance it?  They might decide against you!  This tells me that King Aerys told Rhaegar that he chose Viserys to be his successor.  Rhaegar wanted to try to overturn this decision.  He died, and never got to give it the old college try.  Viserys was the heir and he became King Viserys III with Princess Daenerys as his heir.

Maybe Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna.  Maybe she ran away on her own.  What mattered here is the fact that Rhaegar sheltered her.  A short letter from her, even by her likely poor grammar, to say she ran away on her own might have prevented Brandon from attempting to murder the royal family.  A responsible person would have made her write that letter.  Rhaegar did not.  I would have disinherited that blonde idiot too.

Say there is a chance of R+L=J being true.  Aerys and for sure Varys, would have been on to this.  You are Aerys.  You suspect the Starks and the Baratheons of plotting against you.  The first move you would make is to disinherit your idiot son for causing this mess.  Most important of all, you do not want the grandchild of your enemy to inherit your kingdom.  

Agree

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