Valyrians of Westeros

[Corvo the Crow]

Targaryens are dead and gone, but there are still Valyrians present in Westeros, whether as lords or commoners. In high places and low places.

 

Below are some characters of known, or possible Valyrian descent.

 

House Celtigar

House Velaryon

House Qoherys

Possibly Ser Vardis Egen, with his silver hair.

Hightowers, Lynesse who looked so much like Danaerys. with her skin the color of cream and gold hair and Lynesse with her silver hair.

House Hightower is a possibility since we don't know where the two sisters got their looks from.

Marei a "cool, pale and delicate" girl with green eyes, porcelain skin and silvery hair wh working in Chataya's

 

I must add that Daynes are not of Valyrian stock as GRRM once told in a SSM.

 

Who are some others you have noticed?

[Lollygag]

11 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Hightowers, Lynesse who looked so much like Danaerys. with her skin the color of cream and gold hair and Lynesse with her silver hair.

ASOS Catelyn V

"Aye, and all the rest," said Dacey. "She had hair like spun gold, that Lynesse. Skin like cream. But her soft hands were never made for axes."

 

Only the Lannisters and Lynesse are described as having "spun gold" hair. And she and Jorah met in Lannisport with Lynesse having that whore/wife thing so common with Lannisters. Lynesse also sounds like Lann-esse or Lioness. The soft hands (hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm) is also a Lannister thing. She left Jorah for gold. I don't know if she's actually a Lannister or not on her mother's side, but she and Jorah are definitely symbolic Lannisters.
 

[Euron III Greyjoy]

I imagine for the almost 300 years that the Targaryens ruled Westeros, they, along with the other Valyrian Houses, must have spread their seed through quite a few Houses, not to mention any bastard children they had who could've ended up anywhere. 

[Lord Varys]

5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Targaryens are dead and gone, but there are still Valyrians present in Westeros, whether as lords or commoners. In high places and low places.

Well, one of them just returned, so they are back. Not to mention the tree man up beyond the Wall.

5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Below are some characters of known, or possible Valyrian descent.

The Baratheons would be at the top of the list - both because of their descent from Orys Baratheon and because of their most recent Targaryen marriage.

5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

House Celtigar

House Velaryon

House Qoherys

The Velaryons and Celtigars are Valyrian houses, and the Qoherys are extinct. Whether they were a proper house as such is questionable considering Quenton Qoherys was just Aegon's master-at-arms. But they certainly become a powerful noble houses when they were given Harrenhal.

Other houses of confirmed Targaryen descent are Plumm, Penrose, Martell, and possibly Tarth. And subsequently all those houses those people intermarried with.

5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Hightowers, Lynesse who looked so much like Danaerys. with her skin the color of cream and gold hair and Lynesse with her silver hair.

There is a chance that the Hightowers got some Targaryen if any of Rhaena's six daughters by Garmund Hightower married back into the main line. If Garmund were a younger son of Lord Ormund one of his daughters could marry her first cousin or even Ormund's great-grandson - after all, those six daughters may be born over a course of multiple decades, so Garmund's youngest daughter could be about the right age to marry the son of the son of Lord Ormund's successor.

The Hightowers could also simply have taken wives from Lys and Volantis in the past, considering their involvement in international trade. Chances that they themselves are descended from Valyrian settlers or anything of that sort is possible, but they would likely not have retained Valyrian looks after thousands of years unless they intermarried with other Valyrians from time to time.

5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

I must add that Daynes are not of Valyrian stock as GRRM once told in a SSM.

Not as such, but they could have intermarried with Targaryen descendants, helping to explain the Maekar-Dyanna match. Aelinor Penrose was Aerys I's cousin, so something like that may have been the case for other sons of Daeron II, too.

We have the six Targaryen-Hightower daughters for that, and also the Targaryen-Velaryons. Alyn and Baela's eldest child, the second Laena Velaryon, is born during the Regency (at least that's what the new family tree implies) and she could very well be the woman from whom both Ronnel and Aelinor Penrose are descended, and possibly Jena Dondarrion as well (one could see her marrying a Penrose in the 150s and then remarrying a Dondarrion after Daeron's war if her husband died there).

A house I strongly suspect to be of Valyrian descent - both through intermarriage with the Targaryens and the Velaryons - are the Masseys. Justin has fair hair and is very handsome, and it was always odd that the Masseys would attend Aegon I even before the Conquest despite the fact that they were sworn to Storm's End - and that a Massey would later try to mount one of the riderless dragons. Chances are not that bad that some Velaryons or even spare daughter Targaryens intermarried with the Masseys. One could also see that happening with Darklyns - considering how influential and powerful Duskendale would have been before the Conquest. One of the Lord of Dragonstone could easily enough have sealed some trade agreement or other alliance by marrying a spare sister, niece, aunt, or cousin to a Lord of Duskendale.

[Megorova]

Aegon IV had many bastard-children.

Only Daemon Blackfyre alone has fathered 9 children.

Aegon's Megette gave birth to four daughters. It was said, that they were given to the Faith to be trained as a septa, but it isn't known, whether all four of them, or any of them, indeed became septas, after their training has ended. Maybe they decided not to join Faith, and instead got married, and became mothers.

Aegon had three bastard-children with Bellegere Otherys - Bellonara, Narha, Balerion. Maybe now some of their descendants are also in Westeros.

There's Bloodraven's two sisters - Mya and Gwenys. Maybe they had children.

Supposedly Jeyne Lothston, Aegon's eight mistress, was his bastard-daughter.

And I think, that she gave birth to Aegon's child, and he was the Bastard of Harrenhal, that in 193 was defeated in the melee at KL by Ser Arlan of Pennytree. This bastard later has established House Whent, so children and grandchildren of Hoster Tully and Minisa Whent are all carriers of dragon blood - Catelyn, Lysa, Edmure, Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, Rickon, Robert Arryn, Edmure's little son. And maybe Petyr Baelish is also a carrier of dragon blood. Basis for this theory -

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/152531-chaos-of-conspiracy/&do=findComment&comment=8264552

There were Aegon V's two sisters, Rhae and Daella. It is known, that they had children.

All 16 bastards of Robert Baratheon are partially Targaryens. Robert's grandmother, princess Rhaelle, was half-Targaryen and half-Blackwood. So her son, Steffon, was 1/4 Targaryen. Robert, Renly and Stannis are 1/8 Targaryens. So Shireen Baratheon and Robert's children are 1/16 Targaryens, or they have 6,25% of Valyrian blood.

There's also numerous descendants of princess Daenerys Targaryen and Maron Martell in Dorne. Probably they have intermarried with local noble Houses.

Elaena Targaryen, first cousin of Aegon IV, married to Ronnel Penrose, and gave birth to four children. So current Penroses also have a bit of Valyrian blood.

There's also House Longwaters, descendants of Elaena's bastard-children from Alyn Velaryon.

There's Maegor and Vaella, they were first cousins of King Aerys and Queen Rhaella. Maybe they also had children, and thus their descendants can be still living in Westeros.

Who knows how many children had Viserys Plumm, who's father, probably, was Aegon IV and not Ossifer Plumm. Currently there are five Plumms in ASOIAF, icluding Brown Ben Plumm.

If someone has blue or purple eyes, and blond or silver hair, it doesn't mean, that they are Valyrians. And if someone doesn't have those features, doesn't mean, that they are not Valyrian. Jon Snow is, most likely, son of Rhaegar Targaryen. Princess Rhaenys didn't had Valyrian looks. All Baratheons doesn't look like Valyrians, but they are partially Valyrians. Baelor Targaryen looked like his Dornish mother. Brown Ben Plumm doesn't look like Valyrian, nevertheless Dany's dragons has felt dragon blood in him.

So basing someone's ancestry just on his/her looks is wrong.

P.S. Probably, Marei is a bastard-daughter of Kevan Lannister. He has a daughter named Janei. And first 16 years of his marriage with Dorna Swyft, they had no children. At that time Tywin was still Aerys' Hand, and was serving at KL. Who knows, why Kevan and Dorna had no children for so long, but, maybe, at that time, in his youth, Kevan was frequently visiting KL's brothels, where he eventually has fathered Marei. Her green eyes could be a Lannister-feature, not Valyrian.

[Endymion I Targaryen]

Add  to these: 

• Alys Rivers, Aemond Targaryen's pregnant mistress. Whereabouts unknown.
• House Qoherys. We know only the men who ruled Harrenhal. Possible women of the house who could not inherit may have married riverlords.
• Rhaena Targaryen, Aenys's daughter. Married to a Farman and is unknown if there is offspring.
• Rhaena's daughters, Aerea and Rhaella and their possible lines.
• Houses the Targaryens/Velaryons?Celtigars married before the Conquest.

@Megorova Baratheons have some more Valyrian blood. Don't forget Alyssa Velaryon,the possibility that Orys Baratheon was Targaryen bastard himself and any possible weddings with the Targaryen-blooded houses you mentioned.

[Corvo the Crow]

To be clear, I don't mean people that have a drop of dragon blood like Brown Ben Plumm but look nothing like them. 

 

[Megorova]

3 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

To be clear, I don't mean people that have a drop of dragon blood like Brown Ben Plumm but look nothing like them. 

 

Then there's not that many. If they have to be Valyrians by their ancestors, and also to have Valyrian looks, then there's Dany, Aurane Waters (House Velaryon), fAegon, maybe Illyrio Mopatis, maybe Varys, and that's all. And the last three are originally not even from Westeros. Also it isn't known, whether current Celtigars still have Valyrian looks.

 

Some Daynes and Hightowers had silver-gold/blond hair and purple or violet eyes, even before they were intermarried with any of Targaryens. Yes, there was a Targaryen princess, that has married with a Hightower, and they had six children, but even before that, Hightowers had "Valyrian" looks. For example, Ceryse Hightower. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ceryse_Hightower

In the World book she was depicted by Magali Villeneuvein, as a woman with light-colored hair, possibly blonde or silver-gold. There's also Alicent Hightower - King Jaehaerys would sometimes mistake her for his daughter, Saera Targaryen, so, obviously, Alicent also had "Valyrian" looks, even though she didn't had even a single drop of Valyrian blood. Because that union between Hightowers and Targaryens happened later than 116 AC (year of birth of Rhaena Targaryen, that married with Garmund Hightower, and gave birth to six half-Targaryen daughters), while Alicent was born in 88 AC, and Ceryse in 2 AC. So even though some Hightowers are blue-eyed blonds, it doesn't mean, that they are Valyrians, or have Valyrian ancestors. Because even those six daughters of Garmund Hightower, probably, got married off to some other Houses, and those Hightowers, that were after them, didn't had even a drop of Targaryen blood. So it's possible, that even though Lynesse Hightower looked a lot like Daenerys Targaryen, it has nothing to do with Valyrian blood, because Hightowers (aside from those 6 daughters of Garmund Hightower) didn't had Valyrian genes.

Some Daynes had violet eyes. Some Hightowers had Valyrian looks (hair color, and eye color). But they are not Valyrians. And they are not exceptions, because in Westeros there were other people, that looked like Valyrians, but weren't Valyrians. For example, Cassella Vaith - Dornish woman with green eyes and pale whiteblond hair, mistress of Aegon IV.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Cassella_Vaith

Vaiths were Andals (The Vaiths were adventuring Andals who settled in the hills east of the deep dunes and sands of Dorne. The nearby river soon took their name.^[4] ), same as Lannisters, and Andals were blond.

Evidence - AGOT, Bran VII: "The Andals were the first, a race of tall, fair-haired warriors who came with steel and fire and the seven-pointed star of the new gods painted on their chests."

And House Dayne predates even Andals. But GRRM said, that they are not Valyrians. So, maybe, they have looks, similar to Valyrians, because them and Valyrians had the same ancestors in Essos, more than 5000 years ago.

[Lord Varys]

4 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

To be clear, I don't mean people that have a drop of dragon blood like Brown Ben Plumm but look nothing like them. 

Then there are just the Targaryens, the Velaryons, and the Celtigars. There is no other Valyrian houses as such in Westeros. House Qoherys is dead. Perhaps one can count the Baratheons if they are truly a bastard Targaryen cadet branch (or if Orys' mother is of Valyrian descent), but there is no other such house.

Valyrians apparently didn't settle in Westeros. And why should they?

[Alyssa of House Arryn]

1 hour ago, Megorova said:

In the World book she was depicted by Magali Villeneuvein, as a woman with light-colored hair, possibly blonde or silver-gold. There's also Alicent Hightower - King Jaehaerys would sometimes mistake her for his daughter, Saera Targaryen, so, obviously, Alicent also had "Valyrian" looks, even though she didn't had even a single drop of Valyrian blood.

The picture is black and white, how can you be 100% sure her hair is silver-gold and not just blond? And there's nothing to indicate (yet) Alicent's looks. King Jaehaerys mistaking her for Saera doesn't mean much. He was an old man sufferring from dementia. Lord Beesberry told the small council that Rhaenyra had more Valyrian blood than Aegon, would he say that if Alicent herself had Valyrian blood? Wouldn't anyone mention Aegon II having Valyrian blood on both sides?

[Lord Varys]

43 minutes ago, Alyssa of House Arryn said:

The picture is black and white, how can you be 100% sure her hair is silver-gold and not just blond? And there's nothing to indicate (yet) Alicent's looks. King Jaehaerys mistaking her for Saera doesn't mean much. He was an old man sufferring from dementia. Lord Beesberry told the small council that Rhaenyra had more Valyrian blood than Aegon, would he say that if Alicent herself had Valyrian blood? Wouldn't anyone mention Aegon II having Valyrian blood on both sides?

If Alicent had Targaryen/Valyrian blood we would know it. It would have been interesting if this were the case, but as it stands there is no chance that she and/or Otto are descended from Targaryens or Valyrians.

The reason why Jaehaerys sees Saera in Alicent likely has more to do with him feeling remorse over what happened to her, him hoping she would return so he can make amends - like Hoster did with Lysa when he was slowly dying. One assumes he didn't intend for her to run a brothel in Volantis. The idea that this gives any inclination how Alicent actually looked isn't very likely.

[AlaskanSandman]

14 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Targaryens are dead and gone, but there are still Valyrians present in Westeros, whether as lords or commoners. In high places and low places.

 

Below are some characters of known, or possible Valyrian descent.

 

House Celtigar

House Velaryon

House Qoherys

Possibly Ser Vardis Egen, with his silver hair.

Hightowers, Lynesse who looked so much like Danaerys. with her skin the color of cream and gold hair and Lynesse with her silver hair.

House Hightower is a possibility since we don't know where the two sisters got their looks from.

Marei a "cool, pale and delicate" girl with green eyes, porcelain skin and silvery hair wh working in Chataya's

 

I must add that Daynes are not of Valyrian stock as GRRM once told in a SSM.

 

Who are some others you have noticed?

Maege Mormont and her children

[Pontius Pilate]

Oh there are countless numbers of people in Westeros who have Targaryen ancestry.  But the traits referred to as the "blood of the dragon" are recessive and would not show themselves in these people.  It would be impossible to trace the lineage of these people without access to a modern day laboratory.  The amount of Targaryen in these people is a drop compared to the whole bucket.  

[Megorova]

21 hours ago, Alyssa of House Arryn said:

The picture is black and white, how can you be 100% sure her hair is silver-gold and not just blond?

Even though the picture is not in color, Ceryse on it, obviously, has lightly-colored hair, though it's more obvious, when you look at other colors/shades on that picture, such as hair colors of the other two women

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/6/60/Magali_Villeneuve_3_Brides_of_Maegor.png/revision/latest?cb=20161125051413&format=original

Same with Maegor's other wives:

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/e/e6/Black_BridesMVthree.png

On both pictures first and third are blondes, and the one in the middle is dark-haired.

On first picture - Ceryse Hightower (blonde), Tyanna of the Tower (dark-haired), Alys Harroway (blonde) (HBO also portrayd her as blonde - look at the left picture here https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Alys_Harroway).

Second picture - Elinor Costayne (blonde), Jeyne Westerling (dark-haired), Rhaena Targaryen (blonde).

Whether Ceryse's hair is silver-gold or blonde is unimportant, because those are shades of "blond" color - silver, gold, silver-gold, platinum, honey, wheat, straw, sand, etc. It's the same genetic allele of blond hair, and whether the shade of it is darker or lighter, depends on the amount of melanine. For example, Bloodraven is an albino, because he has no melanine, so he's "colorless". And whatever is Ceryse's "shade" of hair, whether it's just blond, or silver-gold, it's a result of the same genetic allele of "blond" color. And Hightowers had that "blond" allele even before they have intermarried with Targaryens, so Hightowers themselves are also, same as Targaryens, carriers of "blond" alleles, because of which they have lightly-colored hair.

Hightowers are blond, and were blond for thousands years, same as Lannisters, because by their genes, they are mostly Andals, and Andals were blond. So exotic looks of Hightowers has nothing to do with Valyrians.

[Alyssa of House Arryn]

42 minutes ago, Megorova said:

Hightowers are blond, and were blond for thousands years, same as Lannisters, because by their genes, they are mostly Andals, and Andals were blond. So exotic looks of Hightowers has nothing to do with Valyrians.

I didn't doubt that Ceryse was blonde, I was just saying being blond is not the same as having Valyrian hair. Cersei's hair is beaten gold, Tommen's is white blonde, Lancel's sandy... all different shades of blond, but none of them Valyrian. Ceryse having blond hair =/= Ceryse being of Valyrian descend.

[Megorova]

5 minutes ago, Alyssa of House Arryn said:

I didn't doubt that Ceryse was blonde, I was just saying being blond is not the same as having Valyrian hair. Cersei's hair is beaten gold, Tommen's is white blonde, Lancel's sandy... all different shades of blond, but none of them Valyrian. Ceryse having blond hair =/= Ceryse being of Valyrian descend.

That's what I was saying to autor of OP - basing whether someone is a Valyrian, or not a Valyrian, only on looks alone, is wrong. Because people even without Valyrian blood, can have silver-gold hair (like Lynesse Hightower, and possibly Ceryse and Alyce, like Cassella Vaith, like Lannisters, etc.) and purple or violet eyes (like Lynesse, Ashara and Gerold Dayne); while people, that are at least half-Valyrians, can have non-Valyrian looks (like Baelor Targaryen, Rhaegar's Rhaenys, Jon Snow, etc.). 

[AlaskanSandman]

7 minutes ago, Megorova said:

That's what I was saying to autor of OP - basing whether someone is a Valyrian, or not a Valyrian, only on looks alone, is wrong. Because people even without Valyrian blood, can have silver-gold hair (like Lynesse Hightower, and possibly Ceryse and Alyce, like Cassella Vaith, like Lannisters, etc.) and purple or violet eyes (like Lynesse, Ashara and Gerold Dayne); while people, that are at least half-Valyrians, can have non-Valyrian looks (like Baelor Targaryen, Rhaegar's Rhaenys, Jon Snow, etc.). 

Exactly why i follow what GRRM him self said

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If you want to figure out a family's descent, the names are a better clue than the eyes. Houses descended from the First Men tend to have simple short names, often descriptive. Stark. Reed. Flint. Tallhart (tall hart). Etc. The Valyrian names are fairly distinct are well: The "ae" usage usually suggests a Valyrian in the family tree. The Andal names are . . . well, neith Stark nor Targaryen, if that makes sense. Lannister. Arryn. Tyrell. Etc. Of course, you also need to remember that there have been hundreds and in some cases thousands of years of interbreeding, so hardly anyone is pure Andal or First Man.

https://archive.is/St3S6#selection-3713.1-3717.252

 

This was in 1999 when ACOK had came out. Up to that point. Look for people with Ae in their name. If they are not already a Targaryen by name. Then a clue they have Valyrian in them some where.

Maesters

Bael

Baelish

Maege