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I Served in Congress Longer Than Anyone. Here’s How to Fix It.
Abolish the Senate and publicly fund elections.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/john-dingell-how-restore-faith-government/577222/

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An electoral system based on full participation. At age 18, you are automatically registered to vote. No photo ID, no residency tests, no impediments of any kind. Advances in technology can make this happen effortlessly. Yes, voting should be restricted only to American citizens. Strict protections against foreign meddling are also necessary.

Read: Voter suppression is the new old normal

The elimination of money in campaigns. Period. Elections, like military service—each is an example of duty, honor, and service to country—should be publicly funded. Can you imagine if we needed to rely on wealthy donors to fund the military? I know there are those who genuinely believe in privatizing everything. They are called profiteers.

Public service should not be a commodity, and elected officials should not have to rent themselves out to the highest bidder in order to get into (or stay in) office. If you want to restore trust in government, remove the price tag. I am fully aware that the Supreme Court has declared that “money is speech.” That’s nonsense. The day my wallet starts talking to me, I might reconsider that view. Until then, I believe that the pernicious influence of money on our elections must be removed.

The end of minority rule in our legislative and executive branches. The Great Compromise, as it was called when it was adopted by the Constitution’s Framers, required that all states, big and small, have two senators. The idea that Rhode Island needed two U.S. senators to protect itself from being bullied by Massachusetts emerged under a system that governed only 4 million Americans.

Today, in a nation of more than 325 million and 37 additional states, not only is that structure antiquated, it’s downright dangerous. California has almost 40 million people, while the 20 smallest states have a combined population totaling less than that. Yet because of an 18th-century political deal, those 20 states have 40 senators, while California has just two. These sparsely populated, usually conservative states can block legislation supported by a majority of the American people. That’s just plain crazy.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

It takes a long time to develop some degree of mastery of the subject at hand, which is why term limits tend to be a bad idea. AOC should bring attention to the issues that matter to her, but stay away from policy arguments until you have a strong grasp of the subject.

Oh this is a bunch of horseshit.  Why does AOC not have a "strong grasp" on the policy argument and more experienced MCs do?  That entails a ludicrous assumption that MCs give a shit about the same policy as much as Ocasio-Cortez.  She's 29 not 12.  I was more qualified at 29 to be a member of Congress than 80 percent of the people sitting there.  She's immediately demonstrated better political instincts than the vast majority of incumbent MCs - most of which have the same ambition as everybody in Washington.  Ocasio-Cortez is a better politician than you.  Stop pretending you know what's best for her.  As I said, I'm worried about over-exposure.  But that's it.

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BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE TRUTH AND FACTUALLY CORRECT STATEMENTS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SYSTEM ARE COMPARED TO COMPELLING PASSIONATE STORIES AND WHIPPING PEOPLE UP

WE ALL KNOW THIS

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3 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE TRUTH AND FACTUALLY CORRECT STATEMENTS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SYSTEM ARE COMPARED TO COMPELLING PASSIONATE STORIES AND WHIPPING PEOPLE UP

WE ALL KNOW THIS

Also, all freshman MOC's must tweet in allcaps until their senior mentor takes off the training wheels

ETA: ARE FACTS NOT INFINITE?!?!?

Edited by larrytheimp

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

Damn, Flynn must have given up Trump and Pence both to get a recommendation of NO jail time. 

My feeling is that some of it is Stone/Corsi, and the other bits are Assange. 

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5 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE TRUTH AND FACTUALLY CORRECT STATEMENTS OF THE LEGISLATIVE SYSTEM ARE COMPARED TO COMPELLING PASSIONATE STORIES AND WHIPPING PEOPLE UP

WE ALL KNOW THIS

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!  LOUD NOISES!!! 

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Just now, Kalbear said:

My feeling is that some of it is Stone/Corsi, and the other bits are Assange. 

Well, the memo is more heavily redacted than a UFO document, so we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that to get off so easily he had to deliver the goods on someone higher up the food chain.

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4 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

Damn, Flynn must have given up Trump and Pence both to get a recommendation of NO jail time. 

Not sure it's that clear. He's only charged with giving a false statement. We'll see I guess.

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Just now, DMC said:

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!  LOUD NOISES!!! 

What it means is that I agree with you, and politicians saying things that are not factually accurate (such as the 21T budget that can't be accounted for in the Pentagon is money actually just missing and not spent without recording it) happens so absurdly often, especially for effect, that criticizing her and her alone for it is absurd.

ESPECIALLY when we have Trump literally making up shit that happened like this China deal, which apparently was entirely a figment of his imagination. 

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2 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

My feeling is that some of it is Stone/Corsi, and the other bits are Assange. 

Sounds like a lot has to do with Russia. I think I heard a commentator say 19 meetings with Russians? I know he had 19 meetings with Mueller, but some ex-military guy on CNN was saying, just when I turned on the tv, that the most shocking thing to him was all the meetings with the Russians. And Flynn was a senior general. Traitor.

And a separate criminal investigation.

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5 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Sounds like a lot has to do with Russia. I think I heard a commentator say 19 meetings with Russians? I know he had 19 meetings with Mueller, but some ex-military guy on CNN was saying, just when I turned on the tv, that the most shocking thing to him was all the meetings with the Russians. And Flynn was a senior general. Traitor.

And a separate criminal investigation.

Members of the transition team had contacts with the Russians as well. I wonder if that's the criminal investigation?

Pence, of course, was in charge of that.

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8 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

What it means is that I agree with you

I hate it when it works out that way.

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3 minutes ago, Crazy Cat Lady in Training said:

Members of the transition team had contacts with the Russians as well. I wonder if that's the criminal investigation?

Pence, of course, was in charge of that.

Someone has just suggested the criminal investigation may be related to the work he did for Turkey. Remember, when he was first under investigation the rumor mill said he had talked to the Turks about kidnapping that Turkish cleric living in Pennsylvania, and taking him back to Turkey, for $10M.

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9 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Sounds like a lot has to do with Russia. I think I heard a commentator say 19 meetings with Russians? I know he had 19 meetings with Mueller, but some ex-military guy on CNN was saying, just when I turned on the tv, that the most shocking thing to him was all the meetings with the Russians. And Flynn was a senior general. Traitor.

And a separate criminal investigation.

Connect the strings of yarn:

flynn was a senior general. The pentagon has absurd accounting thingummies that exist solely to put large amounts of money (23 trillion!!!) into people like Flynn’s bank accounts.

if Flynn is used to getting a few million here or there from shady pentagon stuff in his personal accounts every year then when he’s not a general person he no longer gets this beautiful corruption personally benefitting him.

this makes him all pouty, but the Russians are willing to keep the tab open and it’s basically the same as being in the US military: mysterious money magically appears in Flynn’s bank account ergo from Flynn’s perspective Russians are the same as the US.

:-p did AOC spill the beans that Flynn pocketed 23 trillion! I think so! Alert the twitters!

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1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said:

Someone has just suggested the criminal investigation may be related to the work he did for Turkey. Remember, when he was first under investigation the rumor mill said he had talked to the Turks about kidnapping that Turkish cleric living in Pennsylvania, and taking him back to Turkey, for $10M.

That could be. I got the impression the criminal investigation concerned other people. I'll go and re-read it...what there is of it!

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1 hour ago, lokisnow said:

What about both sides? Both sides both sides! Can’t report it it’s not both sides! Whatabout both sides?

Jesus I was joking when I wrote this and then I just saw this garbage piece of fucking trash from five thirty eight that is nothing but eager fellating of whataboutism with enthusiastic rimjobs of tantric both sides both sides chanting. Downright pornographic.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-lame-duck-sessions-undemocratic/

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I want this investigation to be thorough. I want it to be done right. The drips we're getting aren't enough to draw any firm conclusions (tantalizing as they are). I really hope there is some meat on these bones, but I understand that this all takes patience and I am willing to wait.

It's getting really hard, though. I want to see some sweet, sweet melt-down tweets.

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13 minutes ago, Bonnot OG said:

Funny how Scot and his white moderate counter parts in here are more forgiving of rich racist white killers than they are of women of color that actually care about people, isn't it?

Enough.  This is incredibly stupid and entirely unwarranted.  Stop.  It.

If you wanna talk about H.W.'s racism, that's great - talk about it.  If you wanna talk about anything else involving race, that's great, talk about it.  But please cease impugning other users' motives.

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9 minutes ago, DMC said:

Enough.  This is incredibly stupid and entirely unwarranted.  Stop.  It.

If you wanna talk about H.W.'s racism, that's great - talk about it.  If you wanna talk about anything else involving race, that's great, talk about it.  But please cease impugning other users' motives.

Next time you see a rabid dog, try to ask it not to bite you. You may have better success.

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