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2 minutes ago, The Grey Wolf said:

@Lord Varys

Wrong. Gwayne was second-in-command.

Oh, right, I always confuse these two.

But it still seems that the commander of the City Watch no longer had a regular seat on the council in Viserys I's and Aegon II's days.

Edited by Lord Varys

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Larys definetly knew Daemon and Mysaria knew all the hidden passages in the  Red Keep. 

In his own way, I believe he felt by killing Breakbones he was protecting  Rhaenyra's kids and appeasing Alicent Hightower. When Aemond had his eye cut out, Viserys didn't  punish Luke at all. Instead, Aegon and Aemond were chided  about calling the Strongs bastards. Larys knew to keep the peace, most of his family had to die and go away. 

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On 11/28/2018 at 3:41 PM, Lord Varys said:

Does anybody understand this guy?

I just hope the other Lord Varys gets a motivation that's more transparent than - 'well, we have no real idea why he did what he did.'

 

I think that gets right to the heart of it. One of the most striking things about F+B for me was the feeling of recognition and similarity with current characters and situations.

Two people so deep in the game their truths may never known?

Edited by hiemal

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Larys Strong might just have been one of those people, like Charles (the Bad) of Navarre, or Jonadab, who enjoy intrigue and shit-stirring for their own sakes.

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My impression is that Larys was Daemon's man the whole time.

IMHO, Daemon's ultimate goal was the IT, for him... Or for his own children. To achieve this after his failure to do so in his younger years, he needed Rhaenyra because he could marry her (and become King consort at least) and have legitimate heirs but he also had to keep the chaos alive so that the older children of Rhaenyra would be taken out of the equation. Varys saw to that for him: in the end, Daemon's line is on the throne.

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Guy was a mystery if Dance was ever done in a POV so want to hear what others thought of him. He single handedly saved the greens and doomed them at the same time.

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I think that Larys is GRRM's take on Honest Iago. No personal feelings, no (obvious) motivation, no attempt to explain or justify, or in any way talk about his actions. Just the puppeteer behind the scenes, who seems to enjoy shit-stirring above all else. Shakespearian villain at it's finest.

Nevertheless, I must say that I like @Jô Maltese's theory that the Clubfoot was playing Daemon's game all along.

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Personally I think Larys was Green to begin with but only because he genuinely thought they were the hands down winners. I think he genuinely supported Aegon and did everything he could to help them win the war, although at some point that became less 'I am in full support of this faction' and more 'I'm going to die if the other faction find me'. And he suceeded in the end, although it was close. Except his entire family got wiped out along the way and by the end the Green's were determined to kamakazi themselves (The Blacks had a dragon, the greens did not; they were alienating the Velaryons who were the only defence against the Vale's invasion; their only remaining army was the Baratheon, while the Blacks had two armies less than a week away and despite all that, Aegon & Alicent would not sue for peace). So he turned to the only other option left in the form of Aegon III. Now whether revenge and discontent with the Greens over their actions towards his kin or simple self preservation were his primary motivators in killing Aegon II, I don't know. But I don't think he was playing any sort of elaborate long game by which he intended to become Hand of the King for Aegon the younger all along.

I don't think he was Daemon's contact with the Greens. I think that was Largent. Makes most sense to me.

But I do think he killed Harwin and Lyonel.

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1 hour ago, Adam Yozza said:

Personally I think Larys was Green to begin with but only because he genuinely thought they were the hands down winners. I think he genuinely supported Aegon and did everything he could to help them win the war, although at some point that became less 'I am in full support of this faction' and more 'I'm going to die if the other faction find me'. And he suceeded in the end, although it was close. Except his entire family got wiped out along the way and by the end the Green's were determined to kamakazi themselves (The Blacks had a dragon, the greens did not; they were alienating the Velaryons who were the only defence against the Vale's invasion; their only remaining army was the Baratheon, while the Blacks had two armies less than a week away and despite all that, Aegon & Alicent would not sue for peace). So he turned to the only other option left in the form of Aegon III. Now whether revenge and discontent with the Greens over their actions towards his kin or simple self preservation were his primary motivators in killing Aegon II, I don't know. But I don't think he was playing any sort of elaborate long game by which he intended to become Hand of the King for Aegon the younger all along.

I don't think he was Daemon's contact with the Greens. I think that was Largent. Makes most sense to me.

But I do think he killed Harwin and Lyonel.

Before I thought Daemon killed Harwin and Lyonel but after reading Fire and Blood I think Larys did it. 

Edited by SerBronnsMullet

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So Varys is going to survive a long time, until Jon gets to KL to take his head.

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I think there are three likely options

Larys was a Greens loyalist:

The master of whispers was loyal for as long as he could. When Kings landing fell he remained to undermine the Blacks from within. Perkin the Flea and his puppet boy king were both arranged for by Larys who only used them to kick the Blacks from the capitol. He rejoined Aegon as intended and only poisoned him when there was no other option. 

Larys was a mere survivalist:

Larys kept siding with the winning team or those most likeliest to kill him if he refused. He thought the Greens would win and saw Ser Cole kill a man objecting to their aims so he wisely chose their side to keep his head. Rhaeny's growing mental instability made it likely she would hang him even if he bend the knee so he didn't and undermined her to survive. He then joined Perkin when he seemed to be winning and swiftly abandoned him for the returning Aegon II. Lastly he tried joining the winning side when Aeagon II's cause was doomed and ran out of sides to defect to when the war ended. 

Larys was a master schemer aiming:

Larys always intended both sides to exterminate each other and to get his hands on an easily manipulated boy king as his puppet. He let Aemond and Cole self destruct in the Riverlands, then brought down Rhaenyra and finally poisoned Aegon II in order to get both claimants out of the way. Larys succeeded in his plot and would control young Aegon III as his puppet. And then a Stark just happened to pass by....

Edited by Daemon of the Blacks

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