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Which Freys deserve to die for what House Frey did to House Stark?


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Just now, Ferocious Veldt Roarer said:

By funny coincidence, so were the Freys themselves.

They were forced to choose.  They never asked for war.  The Starks and the Lannisters brought the war to their doorstep.  And they were smart enough to get off the Starks' sinking ship.  They made up for the mistake by doing King joffrey a solid and ridding him of a pesky rebel.  

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5 minutes ago, Son of Man said:

They were forced to choose.  They never asked for war.  The Starks and the Lannisters brought the war to their doorstep.  And they were smart enough to get off the Starks' sinking ship.  They made up for the mistake by doing King joffrey a solid and ridding him of a pesky rebel.  

So, should the Frey’s kill all the Lannisters for what Lancel did to Ameri? 

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Just now, The Fattest Leech said:

So, should the Frey’s kill all the Lannisters for what Lancel did to Ameri? 

The Lannisters under Tywin gave them Riverun.  I think they can be forgiven for letting that one slide.  War is not good for business.  And Walder is a good businessman.

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19 minutes ago, Son of Man said:

The Lannisters under Tywin gave them Riverun.  I think they can be forgiven for letting that one slide.  War is not good for business.  And Walder is a good businessman.

“Letting one slide,” is not a detailed, nor semi-detailed, answer. 

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10 minutes ago, Ferocious Veldt Roarer said:

The luckiest ones will get baked in pies first.

 

20 minutes ago, norwaywolf123 said:

Should the revenge start with Jaime and Tywin Frey, sons of Raymun Frey and Beony Beesbury? 

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jaime_Frey

Plenty of options in the menu: baby back ribs, Frey pies, weasel soup, Frey sister stew, bowl of brown

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I won't eat spider crab, except in sister's stew. Makes me feel half cannibal.

 

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The Freys are like the human/Riverlands version of the Others, and the minions old Other Walder sends out are basically his wights= walking dead that just follow orders. Just following order in Martinworld basically is a damnable death sentence. Thinking for oneself is a better way to go, even if you have to go through shit to get to the end. (Jamie with Cersei is another obvious example)

Just as Martin established House Frey as being duplicitous, you are fucked no matter which way you try to pass (twins), Martin established Old Walder as an antagonist to the series as far back as Walder's first introduction as a snot-nosed four year old boy:

  • The Mystery Knight

No sooner had he spoken than Ambrose Butterwell made his entrance, to a fanfare of trumpets from the minstrel's gallery. Dunk shoved to his feet with the rest as Butterwell escorted his new bride down a patterned Myrish carpet to the dais, arm in arm. The girl was fifteen and freshly flowered, her lord husband fifty and freshly widowed. She was pink and he was grey. Her bride's cloak trailed behind her, done in candy green and white and yellow. It looked so hot and heavy that Dunk wondered how she could bear to wear it. Lord Butterwell looked hot and heavy too, with his heavy jowls and thinning flaxen hair.

The bride's father followed close behind her, hand in hand with his young son. Lord Frey of the Crossing was a lean man elegant in blue and grey, his heir a chinless boy of four whose nose was dripping snot.

  • The Mystery Knight

...They met beneath the viewing stand where Lord and Lady Butterwell sat on their cushions in the shade of the castle walls. Lord Frey was beside them, dandling his snot-nosed son on one knee. A row of serving girls was fanning them, yet Lord Butterwell's damask tunic was stained beneath the arms, and his lady's hair was limp from perspiration. She looked hot, bored, and uncomfortable, but when she saw Dunk, she pushed out her chest in a way that turned him red beneath his helm. He dipped his lance to her and her lord husband. Ser Uthor did the same. Butterwell wished them both a good tilt. His wife stuck out her tongue.

Now, that said, I don't think all Freys should die. I think there are honestly innocent within the outskirts of the family that weren't even at the Twins and had no knowledge of the traitorous acts Walder and Roose committed with the blessing of Tywin. I kinda like Amarei (Gatehouse Ami), and even Fat Walda. A few others as well. I do think House Frey will be dismantled and the lands salted, however that works over water ;). I do think think we will see a Red Wedding follow up at Riverrun... just as Brynden Bloodraven Rivers promised...

  • The Mystery Knight

"Forfeit to the Iron Throne. I mean to pull it down stone by stone and sow the ground that it stands upon with salt. In twenty years, no one will remember it existed. Old fools and young malcontents still make pilgrimages to the Redgrass Field to plant flowers on the spot where Daemon Blackfyre fell. I will not suffer Whitewalls to become another monument to the Black Dragon." He waved a pale hand. "Now scurry away, roach."

"The Hand is kind." Butterwell stumbled off, so blind with grief that he did not even seem to recognize Dunk as he passed.

"You have my leave to go as well, Lord Frey," Rivers commanded. "We will speak again later."

"As my lord commands." Frey led his son from the pavilion.

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All the people who played a part in organizing the Red Wedding I'd say, but since the characters who want revenge on House Frey for the Red Wedding have no idea who was a part of it and who wasn't, I imagine most people will just kill whatever Frey they can get their hands on. 

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I would start with Lord Walder, Black Walder, Lame Lothar, and maybe a few others who are leaders.

Most of the Freys are essentially dumbasses who went along with what their family leaders told them to do.   It doesn't make them good people, but they are hardly worth killing. 

The ones who were clearly not there, such as Olyvar, Perwyn, and the ones off at other castles and the like, should definitely be spared.  Collective guilt is a road you really don't want to go down.

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The Freys who played a role in the Red Wedding. I don't see why anyone who is innocent of it should have to pay the price for what some family members did. There are the members of House Haigh who were active participants in this.

But after what's been done, is anyone going to want to marry a Frey after this? I doubt who is not their bannerman will go near them.

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6 hours ago, Son of Man said:

They were forced to choose.  They never asked for war.  The Starks and the Lannisters brought the war to their doorstep.  And they were smart enough to get off the Starks' sinking ship.  They made up for the mistake by doing King joffrey a solid and ridding him of a pesky rebel.  

Whoa, that's wrong. The Freys weren't forced to choose. Tywin thought the Freys would sit on the fence uncommitted and he was fine with that. Tywin thought Walder would let the Starks through but remain uninvolved personally.

AGOT Tyrion VII

"No matter," Lord Tywin said. "Frey only takes the field when the scent of victory is in the air, and all he smells now is ruin. And Jason Mallister lacks the strength to fight alone. Once Jaime takes Riverrun, they will both be quick enough to bend the knee. Unless the Starks and the Arryns come forth to oppose us, this war is good as won."

 

It was Frey who forced the Starks to ally with him. The Starks only wanted to cross.

 

AGOT Catelyn IX

"If you can spare a few of your swords, I need some men to escort two of Lord Frey's grandsons north to Winterfell," she told him. "I have agreed to take them as wards. They are young boys, aged eight years and seven. It would seem they are both named Walder. Your brother Bran will welcome the companionship of lads near his own age, I should think."

"Is that all? Two fosterlings? That's a small enough price to—"

"Lord Frey's son Olyvar will be coming with us," she went on. "He is to serve as your personal squire. His father would like to see him knighted, in good time."

"A squire." He shrugged. "Fine, that's fine, if he's—"

"Also, if your sister Arya is returned to us safely, it is agreed that she will marry Lord Walder's youngest son, Elmar, when the two of them come of age."

Robb looked nonplussed. "Arya won't like that one bit."

"And you are to wed one of his daughters, once the fighting is done," she finished. "His lordship has graciously consented to allow you to choose whichever girl you prefer. He has a number he thinks might be suitable."

To his credit, Robb did not flinch. "I see."

"Do you consent?"

"Can I refuse?"

"Not if you wish to cross."

"I consent," Robb said solemnly. He had never seemed more manly to her than he did in that moment. Boys might play with swords, but it took a lord to make a marriage pact, knowing what it meant.

They crossed at evenfall as a horned moon floated upon the river. The double column wound its way through the gate of the eastern twin like a great steel snake, slithering across the courtyard, into the keep and over the bridge, to issue forth once more from the second castle on the west bank.

 Neither the Starks nor the Lannisters forced the Freys to do squat.

 

 

 

As to the OP, I agree with @Nevets and would take it a step further and make sure the house is weakened to prevent anyone from causing problems.

 

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17 minutes ago, Alexis-something-Rose said:

The Freys who played a role in the Red Wedding. I don't see why anyone who is innocent of it should have to pay the price for what some family members did. There are the members of House Haigh who were active participants in this.

But after what's been done, is anyone going to want to marry a Frey after this? I doubt who is not their bannerman will go near them.

I agree with everything you've said here, but unfortunately whilst we as readers have a gods-eye-view and know who is to blame, the characters don't. So I have a feeling that people wanting revenge are just going to kill any Frey they can get their hands on. 

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