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In chapter 57 of ADWD he explains how he has dragons blood. With the new info (new to me anyways, not sure if it was previously released) about Saera running away and making a life in essos and having children. It makes sense to me.

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He is a descendant of Viserys Plumm son of Eleana Targaryen and Aegon IV that's why he has two drops of dragon blood - Seara's descendant was probably Serra, second wife of Illyrio Mopatis. 

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5 hours ago, Jova Snow said:

He is a descendant of Viserys Plumm son of Eleana Targaryen and Aegon IV that's why he has two drops of dragon blood - Seara's descendant was probably Serra, second wife of Illyrio Mopatis. 

yes, most likely

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I’d find it funny if Saera turns out to be fAegon’s ancestor, but I prefer it if he’s the last Blackfyre to try and take the Iron Throne.

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On 12/7/2018 at 12:29 AM, scumhorror said:

In chapter 57 of ADWD he explains how he has dragons blood. With the new info (new to me anyways, not sure if it was previously released) about Saera running away and making a life in essos and having children. It makes sense to me.

Brown Ben Plumm is implied to be descended from a rumored affair between Aegon IV and his cousin Elaena.

Elaena, the youngest of King Aegon III's daughters, wed the aged Lord Ossifer Plumm in 176 AC, but it is said that Ossifer either died while consummating the marriage, or before he could consummate the marriage.

Elaena conceived and gave birth to a son, Lord Viserys Plumm, and rumor claimed that Aegon IV, rather than Ossifer, fathered the child.

[Elaena] was thrice wed. Her first marriage was in 176 AC, to the wealthy but aged Ossifer Plumm, who is said to have died while consummating the marriage. She conceived, however, for Lord Plumm did his duty before he died. Later, scurrilous rumors came to suggest that Lord Plumm, in fact, died at the sight of his new bride in her nakedness (this rumor was put in the lewdest terms—terms which might have amused Mushroom but which we need not repeat), and that the child she conceived that night was by her cousin Aegon—he who later became King Aegon the Unworthy.

- TWOIAF: Baelor I

Her captains bowed and left her with her handmaids and her dragons. But as Brown Ben was leaving, Viserion spread his pale white wings and flapped lazily at his head. One of the wings buffeted the sellsword in his face. The white dragon landed awkwardly with one foot on the man's head and one on his shoulder, shrieked, and flew off again. "He likes you, Ben," said Dany.

"And well he might." Brown Ben laughed. "I have me a drop of the dragon blood myself, you know."

"You?" Dany was startled. Plumm was a creature of the free companies, an amiable mongrel. He had a broad brown face with a broken nose and a head of nappy grey hair, and his Dothraki mother had bequeathed him large, dark, almond-shaped eyes. He claimed to be part Braavosi, part Summer Islander, part Ibbenese, part Qohorik, part Dothraki, part Dornish, and part Westerosi, but this was the first she had heard of Targaryen blood. She gave him a searching look and said, "How could that be?"

"Well," said Brown Ben, "there was some old Plumm in the Sunset Kingdoms who wed a dragon princess. My grandmama told me the tale. He lived in King Aegon's day."

"Which King Aegon?" Dany asked. "Five Aegons have ruled in Westeros." Her brother's son would have been the sixth, but the Usurper's men had dashed his head against a wall.

"Five, were there? Well, that's a confusion. I could not give you a number, my queen. This old Plumm was a lord, though, must have been a famous fellow in his day, the talk of all the land. The thing was, begging your royal pardon, he had himself a cock six foot long."

The three bells in Dany's braid tinkled when she laughed. "You mean inches, I think."

"Feet," Brown Ben said firmly. "If it was inches, who'd want to talk about it, now? Your Grace."

Dany giggled like a little girl. "Did your grandmother claim she'd actually seen this prodigy?"

"That the old crone never did. She was half-Ibbenese and half-Qohorik, never been to Westeros, my grandfather must have told her. Some Dothraki killed him before I was born."

"And where did your grandfather's knowledge come from?"

"One of them tales told at the teat, I'd guess." Brown Ben shrugged. "That's all I know about Aegon the Unnumbered or old Lord Plumm's mighty manhood, I fear. I best see to my Sons."

- ASOS: Daenerys V

"I know you as well, my lord," said Tyrion. "You're less purple and more brown than the Plumms at home, but unless your name's a lie, you're a westerman, by blood if not by birth. House Plumm is sworn to Casterly Rock, and as it happens I know a bit of its history. Your branch sprouted from a stone spit across the narrow sea, no doubt. A younger son of Viserys Plumm, I'd wager. The queen's dragons were fond of you, were they not?" 

That seemed to amuse the sellsword. "Who told you that?"

"No one. Most of the stories you hear about dragons are fodder for fools. Talking dragons, dragons hoarding gold and gems, dragons with four legs and bellies big as elephants, dragons riddling with sphinxes … nonsense, all of it. But there are truths in the old books as well. Not only do I know that the queen's dragons took to you, but I know why."

"My mother said my father had a drop of dragon blood." 

"Two drops. That, or a cock six feet long. You know that tale? I do. Now, you're a clever Plumm, so you know this head of mine is worth a lordship … back in Westeros, half a world away. By the time you get it there, only bone and maggots will remain. My sweet sister will deny the head is mine and cheat you of the promised reward. You know how it is with queens. Fickle cunts, the lot of them, and Cersei is the worst." 

- ADWD: Tyrion XI

If true, this would mean that Aegon IV fathered sons with two of the three daughters of his uncle Aegon III:

- Daemon Waters (later Blackfyre) with his cousin Daena
- Viserys Plumm with his cousin Elaena

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On 12/7/2018 at 12:29 AM, scumhorror said:

In chapter 57 of ADWD he explains how he has dragons blood. With the new info (new to me anyways, not sure if it was previously released) about Saera running away and making a life in essos and having children. It makes sense to me.

He's a Plumm.  No reason to lie about that.

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