Illyrio's fate foreshadowed

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2 hours ago, Lollygag said:

It would be more clever writing to in the end find out that Illyrio and Varys were such wonderfully perfect wordsmiths as to go decades and never have need of an “outright” lie to any of the great many people they've encountered over said decades. But at a character level, at a realistic level, it’s impossible to do what these characters do for this amount of time, deceiving and manipulating so many at a time and for decades in some cases, and not “outright” lie sometimes.

And lying is the whole point. It’s the Game of Thrones. KL is a bunch of liars and schemers and climbers. Lying is part of the Game. It would be better plot writing if they didn’t lie, but it would be grotesquely awful and unrealistic character writing if they didn’t.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/201111/how-often-do-people-lie-in-their-daily-lives

 

 

 

Can you prove Varys's outright lies in text? If not, then I consider the background info they give us as truthful, but lying by leaving stuff out.

Again, this was what Illyrio was trying to do with Tyrion when he mentioned when Varys and him "were young in the streets of Pentos". He does not claim there that Varys is "from" Pentos, but stating a fact. If the listener wants to infer from this that Varys is from Pentos he intends to allow it, but it is not what he actually claims.

The above is merely your opinion without textual evidence for it. And the quotes you pulled from Sansa are irrelevant too.