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2 minutes ago, Vaith said:

The problem is D&D writing her and LF to think marrying the Boltons will in any way pay off. If they haven't seen a trail of flayed corpses, then there is still no chance in the Seven Hells that they would think it would pay off with Stannis naming a Bolton by marriage the Warden of the North. Why not directly take Sansa to Castle Black and have her win over the mountain clans, by LF's logic? 

I think in no universe sansa would willingly marry a Bolton after what they did to her familly. The problem starts there. Ramsay would need to travel to the vale and convince her he is a good guy and that roose and his men are the ones responsible for all the shit the boltons have done. Then that he is only a bastard and wants to marry her in order to unite the north and take the power from his father...

 

34 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

Everything that has happened at WF since Sansa arrived to marry her family's killers for 'revenge' but with no plan of actual revenge has been terrible and incredibly stupid.  Why are the Boltons backed by the Lannisters marrying Sansa, wanted for regicide by the Lannisters? Ahem.  Why is Roose letting LF get back to the Vale alive once he's got Sansa?  Why is he putting Sansa at risk when he knows a battle with Stannis coming? It goes on and on through seasons 5-7, where we have the Umbers, who had in their possession Rickon Stark, the male heir to the North, and they give him up for nothing?!  The North Does Not Remember in the show, except when a needed 'rah rah' moment arrives, then it's all Starks again.  And all avoidable with a little better attention to detail.

I just can t understand how they can do such  a bad job. They knew winterfell would be very important until the end but decided to not care about the story in the north that links all starks and their friends… If we look at season 7 it is pathetic how the starks reunite and we have a group of important characters like LF and brienne and the story at winterfell sucks...

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3 minutes ago, divica said:

I didn t remember that in season 5 tyrion gives several excelent reasons why danny shouldn t be a good queen for westeros and in season 6/7 he just forgets them...

"Both our fathers were terrible people, and you are kind of a shitty ruler."

And then Dany names him Hand, and he (according to the script), apparently falls in love with her! Not to mention Dany is overwhelmingly portrayed as the indisputable good guy despite, oh, burning all of the Dothraki khals with a brazier. 

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16 minutes ago, Vaith said:

"Both our fathers were terrible people, and you are kind of a shitty ruler."

And then Dany names him Hand, and he (according to the script), apparently falls in love with her! Not to mention Dany is overwhelmingly portrayed as the indisputable good guy despite, oh, burning all of the Dothraki khals with a brazier. 

Hell, If I remember right danny spent about 1 or 2 episodes with tyrion before flying on a dragon, then he does a terrible job at ruling mereen and then she names him hand… how does she even know him well enough to trust him with being her hand?

And even better. Next season tyrion does an even worse job of conquering westeros with all the resources danny had. I have no idea how someone in the show thinks tyrion is smart or how he doesn t get fired...

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13 minutes ago, divica said:

Hell, If I remember right danny spent about 1 or 2 episodes with tyrion before flying on a dragon, then he does a terrible job at ruling mereen and then she names him hand… how does she even know him well enough to trust him with being her hand?

And even better. Next season tyrion does an even worse job of conquering westeros with all the resources danny had. I have no idea how someone in the show thinks tyrion is smart or how he doesn t get fired...

Yeah, I mean the show's idea that Cersei has a credible chance against Dany in season 7 is laughable.

It's 3 dragons, all the Dothraki in the world, all the Unsullied in the world, Reach and Dornish forces largely unscathed from the War of the Five Kings, and Yara's stolen Ironborn fleet, vs. a depleted Lannister force from the War of Five Kings, and Euron's newly built fleet that took a few months and all of the Iron Island's non-existent trees to build. 

Dany could have taken KL at any moment, but it was "inhumane" to storm the city... well, besides from slowly starving out the people, that's your only option. Unless you want to make use of Varys's network of Red Keep tunnels to kidnap Cersei, I guess?

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17 minutes ago, divica said:

Hell, If I remember right danny spent about 1 or 2 episodes with tyrion before flying on a dragon, then he does a terrible job at ruling mereen and then she names him hand… how does she even know him well enough to trust him with being her hand?

How the hell was no one mad at Dany? Why did she never seem to think of anyone in Mereen?

They are surrounded in the arena, Harpies closing in on them. Then Dany jumps on a dragon and flies off, leaving everyone else there to die. My reaction was like 'WTF!!! woman, turn the dragon around and save your people'. By all rights, they should have been mad at her for leaving them to die. But no one was. Dany should have rightly thought that they were all dead because they were surrounded with no way to escape. How do none of them ever react like real human beings?

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30 minutes ago, Mystical said:

How the hell was no one mad at Dany? Why did she never seem to think of anyone in Mereen?

They are surrounded in the arena, Harpies closing in on them. Then Dany jumps on a dragon and flies off, leaving everyone else there to die. My reaction was like 'WTF!!! woman, turn the dragon around and save your people'. By all rights, they should have been mad at her for leaving them to die. But no one was. Dany should have rightly thought that they were all dead because they were surrounded with no way to escape. How do none of them ever react like real human beings?

I mean the most show-breaking public relations character is definitely Cersei, imo.

She starts her reign worse than Maegor. The smallfolk (Hot Pie) know she blew up the sept and committed kinslaying, deicide, the killing of a queen and a lord paramount, and the destruction of the realm's holiest site... and no riots in the streets, nothing. The crownlands and westerlands lords all follow her with no real anti-Cersei sentiment in her quarters. 

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4 minutes ago, Vaith said:

I mean the most show-breaking public relations character is definitely Cersei, imo.

She starts her reign worse than Maegor. The smallfolk (Hot Pie) know she blew up the sept and committed kinslaying, deicide, the killing of a queen and a lord paramount, and the destruction of the realm's holiest site... and no riots in the streets, nothing. The crownlands and westerlands lords all follow her with no real anti-Cersei sentiment in her quarters. 

I have no idea if I would prefer crazy cersei or danny with thousands of raping and enslaving savage dothriaki.

I think both options are awful and don t appeal to the smallfolk.

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16 minutes ago, The Lasr Storm said:

i truly wonder if DnD though ppl were buying the tension between Arya and Sansa. I always remind myself that they are writing for the average viewer, not us diehards specifically.

I’m not yet caught up all the way through s 6 & 7 (haven’t watched the infamous wight hunt yet!), but I did watch that scene... I have to say, it was one of the silliest, dumbest, ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. And w/ GoT being riddled w/ such, that’s really saying a lot. 

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5 minutes ago, divica said:

I have no idea if I would prefer crazy cersei or danny with thousands of raping and enslaving savage dothriaki.

I think both options are awful and don t appeal to the smallfolk.

I think I'd turn to the Brotherhood myself, what with their fighting against injustice on all levels. Apparently though, there's nothing at all that the Brotherhood could have against Dany...!

3 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

I’m not yet caught up all the way through s 6 & 7 (haven’t watched the infamous wight hunt yet!), but I did watch that scene... I have to say, it was one of the silliest, dumbest, ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. And w/ GoT being riddled w/ such, that’s really saying a lot. 

There's a brilliant "Lannister honeypot" theory that they were playing LF with fake drama.... even though Arya actually threatened to cut Sansa's face off. And seemed to be the only person in Westeros dim enough to not comprehend the prospect of being forced to write a letter under duress. 

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19 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

I’m not yet caught up all the way through s 6 & 7 (haven’t watched the infamous wight hunt yet!), but I did watch that scene... I have to say, it was one of the silliest, dumbest, ridiculous things I’ve ever seen. And w/ GoT being riddled w/ such, that’s really saying a lot. 

The wight hunt was another good idea terribly executed.

How is anyone supposed to believe that the WW and wights are real without some kind of proof? It makes sense that jon has to get a wight to show people or convince danny to fly over the Wall and see the ww and their army.

The problem is that they go on foot to kidnap a wight in the midle of the army… For anyone that read the books there should be several smarter ways to do this… Like killing a criminal slightly north of the Wall, tie him up and wait for nightfall...

ps And D&D decide do make danny somewhat believe in jon before he decides to go on the wight hunt. Another of those decisions with amazing timing...

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15 minutes ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

LOL  Am I not the only one stupid enough to peek at season 5 today?  Well, I peeked only after the Sansa atrocity, surely, but damn, it is still reminding me how much this season pisses me off. 

The Sansa stuff is just horrendous, but it is the worst of an awful bunch. How can we forget Dorne (although in hindsight this is before they went all "Ellaria murders all of the Martells to avenge the dead Martells Oberyn and Elia"), King's Landing (again, better in retrospect before Cersei blew everything up)... oh, and D&D's constant hateboner for Stannis.

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3 minutes ago, Vaith said:

The Sansa stuff is just horrendous, but it is the worst of an awful bunch. How can we forget Dorne (although in hindsight this is before they went all "Ellaria murders all of the Martells to avenge the dead Martells Oberyn and Elia"), King's Landing (again, better in retrospect before Cersei blew everything up)... oh, and D&D's constant hateboner for Stannis.

Honestly, I do think having Ellaria murder Martells to avenge dead Martells has to be the stupidest idea ever conceived.  Granted, I know they were desperate to clean up their Sea of Porne mess, but damn, that was stupid.  The Tarth Gaze by Jaime was the only good thing that came from all of that.  Well, that and the Benny Hill music. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JH51U7vV2U

 

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1 minute ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

Honestly, I do think having Ellaria murder Martells to avenge dead Martells has to be the stupidest idea ever conceived.  Granted, I know they were desperate to clean up their Sea of Porne mess, but damn, that was stupid.  The Tarth Gaze by Jaime was the only good thing that came from all of that.  Well, that and the Benny Hill music. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JH51U7vV2U

 

The funny thing was that if it was a reaction to audience hating Porne, then they would have killed off the Snakes and Ellaria if they actually listened to criticism (oh, like, you know, having Doran execute them once he heard of Myrcella's death rather than boat teleportation and the palace guards supporting a dead brother's paramour usurping the prince). I also don't think there would be enough time between the airing of season 5 and the filming of season 6 to change the plot so much.

So we had to get to season 7 for that. At least we got Ellaria and Yara's awful lesbian sex scene!

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2 minutes ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

Oh look, that almost interesting one episode character, the Wildling Karsi.  Us womensfolk and our uterus issues. 

Preach! 

The only time they manage to invent a character that could maybe perhaps turn out to be interesting and not a total and complete waste of my time and patience... and “boom”, there just to be killed because UTERUS! 

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