Rant & Rave Season 8 [Spoilers]: When you are cool like a cucumber, as evil as the mother of madness, but never as perfect as the pet!

[Le Cygne]

On 8/25/2020 at 6:24 PM, kissdbyfire said:

Ah, the infamous scene, cousin Orson and the beetles. Some speculated it was a jab at author Orson Scott Card as payback for his comments on GoT. All I can say is he is pretty spot on, and that’s after watching only eps 1 & 2. I wonder if he’s said anything about later series, especially the last 3 or 4.

Oh that was so good. I wish he'd gone on a bit more about the bad scripts.

The screenwriters, perhaps compensating for their utter inability to find a filmic replacement for the deep-penetration viewpoint of Martin's writing, have taken any excuse for nudity and sex and blown it up into full-fledged, if soft-core, porn...

Combine that with the screenwriters' aforesaid incompetence at creating character and relationship in a script, and what you have is a deeply ruined adaptation...

Wouldn't it have been nice if HBO had presented an adult version of this masterpiece of fantasy literature, instead of giving us the lonely-14-year-old-boy's version.

Saturday Night Live set the age at 13 for the lonely boy in their spoof, they basically said the same thing. They took the videos down, but here's the transcript:

https://snltranscripts.jt.org/11/11sthrones.phtml

It was clear from the start they couldn't write at all. That they had source material to lean on, and STILL botched it, is super telling of how bad they are at writing.

[Le Cygne]

Tobias Menzies and Kit Harington in an ad for Birth UK. Wait for when Tobias says he was on GoT.

 

[kissdbyfire]

7 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

Tobias Menzies and Kit Harington in an ad for Birth UK. Wait for when Tobias says he was on GoT.

 

  

Perfect! I love him. 

[Corvinus85]

I posted this down in the Entertainment area, but needs to be brought up here, too. I guess D&D are not done with adaptations.

Never read this series, but I can imagine a number of fans are now horrified. 

[kissdbyfire]

1 minute ago, Corvinus85 said:

Never read this series, but I can imagine a number of fans are now horrified. 

And rightly so...

 

[Ghostlydragon]

I've never read it but even if i do, which will probably happen soon enough, there is no way I will watch it. 

And weren't they hired to make original content? Why am I not surprised they went for doing another book series?

Although does anybody want another Confederate? I wonder if that was their first pitch.

[SeanF]

3 hours ago, Ghostlydragon said:

I've never read it but even if i do, which will probably happen soon enough, there is no way I will watch it. 

And weren't they hired to make original content? Why am I not surprised they went for doing another book series?

Although does anybody want another Confederate? I wonder if that was their first pitch.

I'm sure they'd love to do Confederate, and portray happy slaves with kind masters. 

[Count Balerion]

Dany was mean to the slavers. Will no one weep for Kraznys?

There's a Dragon video on the new Netflix show. I haven't seen it yet.

[SeanF]

6 hours ago, Count Balerion said:

Dany was mean to the slavers. Will no one weep for Kraznys?

There's a Dragon video on the new Netflix show. I haven't seen it yet.

Do you remember how we used to discuss what could be the worst possible endings for the show?

Such as the Others being about to rape Sansa, only for Arya to warg into a giant eagle to rescue her?

Or Jaime revealing to Jon that he was his father, as he lay dying?

Or Jon leading an army of ewoks to rescue Winterfell?

Or Sansa begging Tyrion to forgive her for not having loved him?

And, none of them were as bad as what we got.

[Count Balerion]

Arya warging an eagle would have been EPIC!

And, speaking of Arya, here's an interesting titbit:

 

[BlackLightning]

When I saw this, I almost cried.

[Angel Eyes]

On 7/28/2020 at 11:23 AM, Angel Eyes said:

You can possibly blame that on Benioff; he worked on Troy and they toned down a lot of the supernatural elements in that film.

Put it this way @BlackLightning; in the Iliad (the source for Troy, which Benioff wrote the screenplay for), the Olympian Gods are sitting on the sidelines, picking sides and favoring champions; they’re completely absent in the film. Achilles’ mother Thetis is a minor goddess herself in the original mythology, but is downgraded to an eccentric who believes herself a water goddess. I could say more but I’d rather not go into a rather sensitive topic.

[Count Balerion]

Not much new here; but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eJLWPfS754

Boonioff's wife is amusing. I didn't know he *had* a wife. No comment!

[Angel Eyes]

Question about Season 7: So Sansa tells Jon not to negotiate with Daenerys, right? Now did she honestly think the North could have handled the White Walkers (let's forget Arya going all Air Jordan on the Night King) all by themselves, with two Valyrian Steel swords being the only thing that could beat the White Walkers?

[SeanF]

12 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Question about Season 7: So Sansa tells Jon not to negotiate with Daenerys, right? Now did she honestly think the North could have handled the White Walkers (let's forget Arya going all Air Jordan on the Night King) all by themselves, with two Valyrian Steel swords being the only thing that could beat the White Walkers?

Well, the White Walkers turned out to be unable to get through the Wall, until un-Viserion burned it down, which made the previous 66 episodes pointless. 

Still, assuming they could get through the Wall, perhaps Sansa was prescient.  She knew that Arya would would reappear and spring out of a tree on top of the Night King.

It's another thing that makes no sense.  As is the fact that none of them even gave any thought to the terms of a treaty with Daenerys.  If they wanted to preserve their independence, Jon ought to have been offering a deal.  Recognition of Daenerys, South of the Neck, in return for recognition of Northern independence. A mutual alliance against the Dead and against Cersei.  Instead, Jon demanded military aid and recognition of independence.  That's in contrast to Yara, who asked for independence, and offered something in return ( a fleet).

[Angel Eyes]

6 minutes ago, SeanF said:

Well, the White Walkers turned out to be unable to get through the Wall, until un-Viserion burned it down, which made the previous 66 episodes pointless. 

Still, assuming they could get through the Wall, perhaps Sansa was prescient.  She knew that Arya would would reappear and spring out of a tree on top of the Night King.

It's another thing that makes no sense.  As is the fact that none of them even gave any thought to the terms of a treaty with Daenerys.  If they wanted to preserve their independence, Jon ought to have been offering a deal.  Recognition of Daenerys, South of the Neck, in return for recognition of Northern independence. A mutual alliance against the Dead and against Cersei.  Instead, Jon demanded military aid and recognition of independence.  That's in contrast to Yara, who asked for independence, and offered something in return ( a fleet).

Well Sansa's no 3ER. Otherwise she could have headed off Ramsay and Littlefinger a lot earlier.

Makes sense. A lot of these things run on reciprocity (as I learned in anthropology class).

[Le Cygne]

And... Just seeing that Diana Rigg passed away. She was much too good for this show.

 

[Count Balerion]

RIP Diana Riggs. I had no notion she was that old. Still too young.

[Count Balerion]

And: sansa is the smartest person Arya knows; Arya knows everything; ergo, Sansa knows MORE than everything.

[Angel Eyes]

1 minute ago, Count Balerion said:

And: sansa is the smartest person Arya knows; Arya knows everything; ergo, Sansa knows MORE than everything.

Arya doesn’t know many smart people.