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On 9/17/2020 at 1:53 PM, Angel Eyes said:

*insert David Hess song*

"Now you're all alone"
"Feeling like nobody loves you"
"And looking for someone to hold your hand"
"Someone who understands"
"Now you're all by yourself"
"And you're feeling the world closing on you"
"And you're asking for someone"
"To show they care"

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12 hours ago, Dalinar said:

Right, who can forget that. When it comes to writing sex scenes, this guy manages to write worse than E.L. James.

Better by far than "I'm going to fuck the tits of this one", "play with her arse", or "You want the good girl but you need the bad pussy."

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2 hours ago, SeanF said:

Better by far than "I'm going to fuck the tits of this one", "play with her arse", or "You want the good girl but you need the bad pussy."

You have not set the bar very high with Benioff and Weis, have you? Being better at writing than Benioff and Weiss says nothing about your quality as an author, does it?

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13 minutes ago, Dalinar said:

You have not set the bar very high with Benioff and Weis, have you? Being better at writing than Benioff and Weiss says nothing about your quality as an author, does it?

It's like being drier than water, I suppose.

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22 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

They do it in the book too; the part about Cersei being on her period during that scene is exclusive to the book.

Yeah, you can pretty much say that GRRM has some strange issues :blink:. Incest, rape and incest/rape/necrophelia are the most common sex interpretations in that book. 

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9 minutes ago, Dalinar said:

Yeah, you can pretty much say that GRRM has some strange issues :blink:. Incest, rape and incest/rape/necrophelia are the most common sex interpretations in that book. 

Plus non-consensual bestiality if you're Jeyne Poole. That's one of the things I'm actually glad that D&D cut out.

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47 minutes ago, Angel Eyes said:

Plus non-consensual bestiality if you're Jeyne Poole. That's one of the things I'm actually glad that D&D cut out.

Holy shit. I forgot that. Yeah I was glad too, they left that out. But even if they wanted to put that in, which they didn't, there is no chance HBO would have allowed that. That is just gore pornography without any necessity and just there to be shocking.

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4 minutes ago, Dalinar said:

Holy shit. I forgot that. Yeah I was glad too, they left that out. But even if they wanted to put that in, which they didn't, there is no chance HBO would have allowed that. That is just gore pornography without any necessity and just there to be shocking.

I'm quite certain if there were not such a backlash over Sansa's rape, they'd have had the Dothraki raping Daenerys at the start of the next season, rather than just threatening it.

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3 hours ago, SeanF said:

I'm quite certain if there were not such a backlash over Sansa's rape, they'd have had the Dothraki raping Daenerys at the start of the next season, rather than just threatening it.

That would have even made sense, knowing the Dothraki culture. And it would be another factor in Daanerys path to "mad" queen, thus telling a more coherent story for her. Even if it would be hard to watch, that would have had a better payoff in terms of character developement than the Sansa scene. 

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8 hours ago, Dalinar said:

That would have even made sense, knowing the Dothraki culture. And it would be another factor in Daanerys path to "mad" queen, thus telling a more coherent story for her. Even if it would be hard to watch, that would have had a better payoff in terms of character developement than the Sansa scene. 

In the corresponding part of ADWD, Dany fears the Dothraki would rape and murder her, which would be the likeliest outcome, were she defenceless.  Fortunately, she has Drogon.  I've been waiting nine frustrating years to learn the outcome of her confrontation with Khal Jhaqo.

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On 9/17/2020 at 1:22 PM, kissdbyfire said:

You forgot Sweetrobin! And I'm sure there are others as well... Poor Sansa, the most shipped character ever! The main difference between Sandor and everyone else is that there are lots and lots of things in the books connecting him to Sansa, whereas there's fuck all supporting any of the others. IMO. And again IMO the cake (as in, the worst of all) goes to Jonsa. :ack:

Sadly the show destroyed all romance, together w/ the actual story. In the end there was nothing left... nothing left of the actual characters, nothing left of the actual story. Just dumb shocks that were so awfully boring. Yawn. 

Yep, Sansa is shipping herself with Sandor.

Her thoughts about him (and she thinks about him often) sound like a romance she's writing for herself: He came to me in the darkness, he gave me a cruel kiss (Dany thinks about Daario's cruel kisses, too), then he left me! (And he regrets that he left her, too.)

There are a lot of writing similarities in the way he writes Dany's and Sansa's sexual awakening. The same patterns, the way they feel, afraid but excited. The beastly men turn these women on, and what this says about the women is the story he's telling.

He suggested their picture as Beauty and the Beast for the calendar (it's like the Cocteau movie poster), and has it on the wall of his office. He also put up a picture of them on his site: https://georgerrmartin.com/grrm_fromfans/san-san-str/

GRRM likes this sort of thing. He has his own style of writing, and likes romance on the wild side.

Like you said, the show destroyed all the romances, there was just misery and then nothingness.

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23 hours ago, SeanF said:

On top of a church altar, as well.   Jaime wipes up the mess with his coat sleeve.

He has his own way of writing, these are not books for the faint of heart. It always amazes me that people read these books, which are gritty and gruff, then criticize GRRM for making the romances gritty and gruff, too.

As for Jaime and Cersei, that was a cautionary tale, not a romance. She basically destroyed him from childhood on, and he slowly realized this. The blood on the altar of dead Joffrey was symbolic, it was the end of their relationship.

Nothing was the same after that. GRRM put a lot of time and effort into showing this, things like Jaime saying no when she grabbed him in the White Sword Tower, and turning a new page in the White Book.

A breeze that was once like Cersei's fingers became like a woman's fingers. And then he's asked, what do you admire in a woman, and he answers innocence... And shortly thereafter, in walks Brienne back into his life.

(And of course, the stupid show got it all wrong. Of course.)

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9 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

He has his own way of writing, these are not books for the faint of heart. It always amazes me that people read these books, which are gritty and gruff, then criticize GRRM for making the romances gritty and gruff, too.

As for Jaime and Cersei, that was a cautionary tale, not a romance. She basically destroyed him from childhood on, and he slowly realized this. The blood on the altar of dead Joffrey was symbolic, it was the end of their relationship.

Nothing was the same after that. GRRM put a lot of time and effort into showing this, things like Jaime saying no when she grabbed him in the White Sword Tower, and turning a new page in the White Book.

A breeze that was once like Cersei's fingers became like a woman's fingers. And then he's asked, what do you admire in a woman, and he answers innocence... And shortly thereafter, in walks Brienne back into his life.

And the show made Jaime rape Cersei in that scene. It’s almost like the opposite of what happens in the book. It’s shocking how they really didn’t care and didn’t get it. Any of it, in any storyline. 

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