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57 minutes ago, sifth said:

Though Stannis got it the worst by D&D. The guy is by no means a saint in the novels and does some pretty dark stuff, but he's never the evil jerk the show makes him out to be. In fact, the guy kind of reminds me a little of King Arthur in some ways. The fact that D&D turn him into a straight up monster by the end really hurts a bit.

They seem to have really disliked Stannis. Their treatment of him in S5 was pretty insulting. They claimed the Shireen stuff came from Martin's notes, but it's also screamingly evident that they just jumped forward a good season or two of character development to force him to that point.  

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1 hour ago, Ser Drewy said:

They seem to have really disliked Stannis. Their treatment of him in S5 was pretty insulting. They claimed the Shireen stuff came from Martin's notes, but it's also screamingly evident that they just jumped forward a good season or two of character development to force him to that point.  

I often wonder how honest they were about that.

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23 minutes ago, sifth said:

I often wonder how honest they were about that.

Well, the way they phrased it was, “when George first told us about this”... Which is interesting. Especially in context: their Sansa Poole idiocy got lots of backlash just a few episodes earlier. 

Also interesting was that they said they were totally shocked upon learning that Shireen would burn - although here I don’t remember whether they said specifically Shireen burning or just said, “it”. But the point here is, clearly they failed at understanding the books, of they read them at all. No reader will be shocked if Shireen burns, readers have been waiting for it for a long time now. And yet, David and Dan were totes shocked, as in, didn’t see it coming at all. 

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Ugh, just watched again. They also say that Stannis is all about ambition and that he’s too stubborn. They really don’t understand the characters or the story. And they say that when we first meet Stannis, he’s sacrificing people, burning them alive on Dragonstone. They can’t even remember their own show! :lol:

And Davos is a moron, too. The way they shot/edited the scene w/ Davos and Stannis, well, Davos knew what was going to happen, and yet he walked away. Book Davos would never. Ever, no matter the cost. 
 

Davos is also a moron b/c he’s the one who asks Mel to bring Jon back, isn’t he? I’m not sure b/c I wasn’t watching anymore, but I think it was him. So, after Mel burns Shireen and it all turns to shit for Stannis, why would he think Mel would be able to do anything? 

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I just stumbled across an old clip of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert on YT. Quote: "Meanwhile, the final episode of GOT aired last night. No spoilers, but it had everything: heartbreak, betrayal, desolation - and that's just how fans feel about the writers..." Colbert is a huge fantasy geek, so...

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8 hours ago, kissdbyfire said:

Ugh, just watched again. They also say that Stannis is all about ambition and that he’s too stubborn. They really don’t understand the characters or the story. And they say that when we first meet Stannis, he’s sacrificing people, burning them alive on Dragonstone. They can’t even remember their own show! :lol:

And Davos is a moron, too. The way they shot/edited the scene w/ Davos and Stannis, well, Davos knew what was going to happen, and yet he walked away. Book Davos would never. Ever, no matter the cost. 
 

Davos is also a moron b/c he’s the one who asks Mel to bring Jon back, isn’t he? I’m not sure b/c I wasn’t watching anymore, but I think it was him. So, after Mel burns Shireen and it all turns to shit for Stannis, why would he think Mel would be able to do anything? 

That's the moment I realised those 2 didn't know what they were talking about. Like you said, they believe Stannis was burning men alive since we first saw him. It's no surprise they would go from Stannis chooses ambition to Dany kind of forgot.

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9 hours ago, Count Balerion said:

Yes, Davos did ask Melisandre to bring back Jon. I think he ddin't know about Shireen burning until season ... 7? When he finds the wooden stag. He wasn't with Stannis and Shireen when she burnt.

Season 6. He goes poking around wherever Stannis made camp and that's were he found the wooden stag; how did that not burn?...

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10 hours ago, Count Balerion said:

The Brothel Brain Effect? Makes as much sense as anything else in this show.

It's at least an observation; call it a correlation. The other one I've made is that Tyrion's intelligence is inversely proportional to the length of his beard. He's at his most effective when he's clean-shaven, in Seasons 1-3. When he has a beard in later seasons, most of his plans end in failure.

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16 hours ago, sifth said:

I often wonder how honest they were about that.

Ultimately, we'll find out whenever Winds is released. But I expect a lot of the supposed book plot-points they included will be extremely different in placement, execution and, frankly, purpose. 

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Season 6. He goes poking around wherever Stannis made camp and that's were he found the wooden stag; how did that not burn?...

The writing got bafflingly contrived in the show. They wanted such a moment to happen, so -voila - it happens, and logic be damned. By the point of S6 consistent characterisation, logic, plot and world-building had been tossed out the window. 

 
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1 hour ago, Ser Drewy said:

Ultimately, we'll find out whenever Winds is released. But I expect a lot of the supposed book plot-points they included will be extremely different in placement, execution and, frankly, purpose.

It's hard to say, but given how they handled many of the book points from say seasons 3 and 4, you might be right. I notice how the Battle of the Wall is a very different beast on the show, then in the books. I mean it only got worse when it came to them adapting the AFFC/ADWD material, which is probably some of the worst adapted material I've seen before.

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30 minutes ago, sifth said:

It's hard to say, but given how they handled many of the book points from say seasons 3 and 4, you might be right. I notice how the Battle of the Wall is a very different beast on the show, then in the books. I mean it only got worse when it came to them adapting the AFFC/ADWD material, which is probably some of the worst adapted material I've seen before.

Yes, the Pink Letter, the Prince Who Was Promised, Qaithe, the Kingsmoot, Daznak’s Pit are all completely underwhelming, compared to the books. And, Porne was an abomination.

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1 hour ago, sifth said:

It's hard to say, but given how they handled many of the book points from say seasons 3 and 4, you might be right. I notice how the Battle of the Wall is a very different beast on the show, then in the books. I mean it only got worse when it came to them adapting the AFFC/ADWD material, which is probably some of the worst adapted material I've seen before.

The show version of the Kingsmoot is a real embarrassment. They had a great chapter there and that's what they got out of it. Actually, the whole treatment of Euron is insulting; a great villain reduced to, well, that... 

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4 hours ago, Angel Eyes said:

It's at least an observation; call it a correlation. The other one I've made is that Tyrion's intelligence is inversely proportional to the length of his beard. He's at his most effective when he's clean-shaven, in Seasons 1-3. When he has a beard in later seasons, most of his plans end in failure.

Beard, brothel, and brain all begin with B. This actually makes more sense than the show. (My personal theory is that Tyrion was replaced by his stupid twin Morion.)

And Euron ... Preston had a random person come on to review in the season 7 watch and say, "I don't know asnything about GOT; but it's mediaeval? And has magic and dragons? And this guy looks like a ... rock star?" Euron did look kind of like a rock star, at that.

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39 minutes ago, Count Balerion said:

Beard, brothel, and brain all begin with B. This actually makes more sense than the show. (My personal theory is that Tyrion was replaced by his stupid twin Morion.)

And Euron ... Preston had a random person come on to review in the season 7 watch and say, "I don't know asnything about GOT; but it's mediaeval? And has magic and dragons? And this guy looks like a ... rock star?" Euron did look kind of like a rock star, at that.

Euron sort of felt like he belonged on another show, which was just weird. It's a shame, I love nearly every Iornborn character in the books, but the show reduced them to joke characters. The show removing Vicartion still hurts, his chapters are some of my favorites in the books.

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1 hour ago, sifth said:

Euron sort of felt like he belonged on another show, which was just weird. It's a shame, I love nearly every Iornborn character in the books, but the show reduced them to joke characters. The show removing Vicartion still hurts, his chapters are some of my favorites in the books.

For Season 8, second half:, why didn't Daenerys contact Yara and tell her to blockade King's Landing? A fleet needs to feed itself and if you take away one of its' home ports...

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On 9/26/2020 at 1:49 AM, kissdbyfire said:

 

Davos is also a moron b/c he’s the one who asks Mel to bring Jon back, isn’t he? I’m not sure b/c I wasn’t watching anymore, but I think it was him. So, after Mel burns Shireen and it all turns to shit for Stannis, why would he think Mel would be able to do anything? 

Ehhhmmm, that is not what happend in the show. Davos didn't knew about Melisandre burning Shereen up until the Episode 9 of Season 6. After he knew, he asked Jon to kill Melisandre. He abandonded her, send her to exile and forbid her to ever come back to the north. He promised her to kill her if she ever would come back. She did in the "Long Night" episode, and died at the end. 

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On 9/25/2020 at 7:38 PM, kissdbyfire said:

Well, the way they phrased it was, “when George first told us about this”... Which is interesting. Especially in context: their Sansa Poole idiocy got lots of backlash just a few episodes earlier. 

Also interesting was that they said they were totally shocked upon learning that Shireen would burn - although here I don’t remember whether they said specifically Shireen burning or just said, “it”. But the point here is, clearly they failed at understanding the books, of they read them at all. No reader will be shocked if Shireen burns, readers have been waiting for it for a long time now. And yet, David and Dan were totes shocked, as in, didn’t see it coming at all. 

Agree. If they were told at all, it will surely be different, in the way it comes about, and what it means, to the point it's a completely different thing, as usual.

Of all the things they chose NOT to do from the books, why do this? They didn't have to show a girl being burned alive, and yet they did, because they wanted to do THIS.

What they chose to do and what they chose not to do is very telling.

It's shocking! It's a girl burned alive! Two in one, their favorite things, brutality toward female characters and shock. In the context of their story (if you can call it a story), it meant nothing.

The aftermath was a wet fart. Super Ramsay (the "badass" as they called him) triumphed as usual. And Brienne the Brute abandoned Sansa to avenge her crush, yet paid no price.

Also Cogman's babies in bottles was yet another nasty thing that went nowhere. That nutty Selyse. Motherhood makes you crazy. And it made even less sense to then burn Shireen.

Also what was the point of Melisandre after season 2, other than to get naked (until they shamed her for being old) and do a magic trick to bring back Jon Snow to be the same as before.

She said she brought ice and fire together, but that also had no real point, other than to have one go bonkers when the other wouldn't have sex, and the other to kill her. Another wet fart.

Arya Ninja Turtle saved them all from the short night.

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3 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

Arya Ninja Turtle saved them all from the short night.

Yea, but Mel told Arya that she'd kill people with brown eyes and green eyes and blue eyes.....................yea D&D really used that crapy line to foreshadow the Night Kings demise and they did such a crapy job of doing it, they literally needed Mel to say it to Arya again in the same episode.

Getting back to Stannis, if Shireen does burn in the books, my prediction will be Stannis will have little if anything to do with it. Selyse is nuts, so who knows when it comes to her, but as far as ADWD is concerned, the book ends with Stannis being hundreds if not thousands of miles away from his family, getting ready to start the battle for Ice. Also in one of the sample chapters for WoW, Stannis mentions that if he should die in this battle, his men are to place Shireen on the Iron Throne in his place. This doesn't exactly sound like the type of guy who wants to kill his own daughter for his own gain, but maybe I'm just over thinking things.

I'm still confused at what/how Ramsay did what he did at the end of season 5. I recall him doing some weird ninja thing, Stannis walking to Winterfell, the Bolton army coming out  and the screen cutting to Stannis having lost the battle. The whole thing is so weirdly edited, it's even worse than Tyrion randomly getting knocked out by his own men right before the battle of the Green Fork starts, only to wake up and the battle be over. I get in the latters case they didn't have the money for major battles so they had to come up with something stupid, but by the time season 5 hit, HBO was pretty much just throwing money at D&D, to make things more violent and "awesome", so it comes off as just weird and lazy to me. It really felt like they were saying "how can we get Stannis out of this show, with spending as little money as possible", lol

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