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1 hour ago, DMC said:

It wasn't leaked, it was a damn press release.  I like the way the lede in this Atlantic piece described it - like you have symptoms for a cold and the doctor tells you not to worry about cancer.

 

Just now, The Great Unwashed said:

Holy shit...even fucking dumber than I thought.

What do you guys think is the likeliest of the three scenarios that the Atlantic piece proposes is?  Although I can't rule out the possibility that it's a combination of trying to make Trump happy plus other factors.

I am sure hopeful that it's not #3 and kind of don't think it is...but it seems like Mnuchin doing this is the very thing that's making people worried that #3 could be on the table and now we tilt into self-fulfilling prophecy territory a bit.  

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21 minutes ago, Triskele said:

 

What do you guys think is the likeliest of the three scenarios that the Atlantic piece proposes is?  Although I can't rule out the possibility that it's a combination of trying to make Trump happy plus other factors.

I am sure hopeful that it's not #3 and kind of don't think it is...but it seems like Mnuchin doing this is the very thing that's making people worried that #3 could be on the table and now we tilt into self-fulfilling prophecy territory a bit.  

I'm almost sure it was Mnunchin trying to make Trump happy. While also being an idiot about it. 

Trump has very few people left who would tell him no, or tell him things are a bad idea, and we're going to get more of these stupid ideas coming out. Especially when the investigations start. 

Also, don't worry about a recession immediately. The economy was doing well and hiring was doing well in spite of the stock market's rise, and it'll do well in spite of the stock market's fall. It's reasonable to predict a small recession in the next year or two, but it likely won't be very soon. That said, it is almost certainly the case that whatever causes the recession Trump will make it far, far worse. 

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3 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said:

The fundamentals of the economy are weaker than last year but still relatively strong, but if Donnie Dipshit can't learn to stop his itchy Twitter finger from firing off a stupidity-laden tweet, then he's going to push us into a recession, fundamentals be damned.

David Rosenberg, chief economist at Gluskin, Sheff in Toronto, formerly at Merrill Lynch before they went down, was on CNBC last week and talked about how much the US economy was weakening. Iirc, he said if you stripped out inventories from 3rd quarter numbers the economy only grew at a rate of 1%. A far cry from the 4% rate Trump said the US economy would grow at while he was president.

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16 hours ago, Triskele said:

What do you guys think is the likeliest of the three scenarios that the Atlantic piece proposes is?

I agree with Kal that it's almost surely option one - if it wasn't Trump or one of his idiot brood that told Mnuchin to do it in the first place.

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Merry Christmas Everyone!

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Another migrant child has died in Border Patrol custody, this time an 8-year-old Guatemalan boy.

The unidentified boy died early Tuesday, Christmas Day, at the Gerald Champion Regional Medical Center in Alamogordo, New Mexico, Customs and Border Protection confirmed to the Daily News.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-guatemalan-child-migrant-dead-20181225-story.html

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BEIJING — Japanese stocks plunged Tuesday and other Asian markets declined following heavy Wall Street losses triggered by President Donald Trump’s criticism of the U.S. central bank.

The Nikkei 225 fell by an unusually wide margin of 5 percent to 19,155.14. The Shanghai Composite Index ended off 0.9 percent at 2,504.82 after being down as much as 2.3 percent at midday. Benchmarks in Thailand and Taiwan also declined.

 

Asian markets fall after U.S. losses

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/25/asian-markets-fall-after-us-losses-1075217

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16 hours ago, LongRider said:

Loath as I am to defend the policy, my reading of the reports is that the child died due to the rigours of the journey, not due to anything that happened in the detention centre. 

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1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said:

Loath as I am to defend the policy, my reading of the reports is that the child died due to the rigours of the journey, not due to anything that happened in the detention centre. 

the child had been in custody since Dec 18 and this article puts him as being noticed as sick six days later 

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The boy, identified by Guatemalan authorities as Felipe Gómez Alonzo, had been in CBP’s custody with his father, Agustin Gomez, since Dec. 18. CBP said in a statement late Tuesday that an agent first noticed the boy had a cough and “glossy eyes” at about 9 a.m. Monday. He was eventually hospitalized twice and died just before midnight, the agency said.

also from same article

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HOUSTON (AP) — U.S. Customs and Border Protection have ordered medical checks on every child in its custody after an 8-year-old boy from Guatemala died, marking the second death of an immigrant child in the agency’s care this month.

 

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On 12/25/2018 at 8:19 AM, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

What an ass.  

Perhaps this is a religious divide, but I would hope a 7 year old would know that Santa isn’t real.

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17 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Perhaps this is a religious divide, but I would hope a 7 year old would know that Santa isn’t real.

I still believe in Santa.  :)

(“There are more things in Heaven and on Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy”)

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20 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Perhaps this is a religious divide, but I would hope a 7 year old would know that Santa isn’t real.

7 year olds don't always know that and ignoring that, the whole thing was about kids calling in to ask where Santa was.

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2 hours ago, LongRider said:

the child had been in custody since Dec 18 and this article puts him as being noticed as sick six days later 

also from same article

 

Again, don't want to defend the policy but that doesn't refute that they died due to the rigours of the journey. There is nothing to suggest they died due to their treatment while in detention. 

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56 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

I still believe in Santa.  :)

(“There are more things in Heaven and on Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy”)

Why? It’s like believing in elves or orcs or Bigfoot.   

57 minutes ago, Mexal said:

7 year olds don't always know that and ignoring that, the whole thing was about kids calling in to ask where Santa was.

Eh, I think by seven you should have figured it out, and let’s be real, we’re lying to kids about a meaningless thing. This is the rare time where I actually agree with Trump (while also getting why the optics are bad).

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The next episode of The Adventures of Steve Bannon is out:

 

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Inside the stone walls of the Trisulti monastery, for more than eight centuries, monks have lived in quiet seclusion, praying, reading and concocting medicinal remedies with herbs from the surrounding forest.

But now, only one 83-year-old monk remains. A longtime chef-gardener still lives there, as well, along with several dozen feral cats. The other resident at Trisulti is the newcomer: a 43-year-old Briton who is one of Stephen K. Bannon’s closest associates in Europe and who hopes to transform the monastery into a “gladiator school for culture warriors.”

One recent morning, Benjamin Harnwell, the Bannon acolyte, grabbed his ring of keys and moved from one building to the next, through hidden passageways and into frescoed rooms, where he said the next mission at this site was about to take form.

Soon, he said, the monastery would be filled with students who wanted to master the tools of populist politics. The halls with centuries-old oil paintings would serve as classrooms where students could learn “the facts” — the worldview espoused by Bannon, who, since being booted from the White House and Breitbart News, has turned to fomenting right-wing populism in Europe and beyond.

 

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1 hour ago, BigFatCoward said:

Again, don't want to defend the policy but that doesn't refute that they died due to the rigours of the journey. There is nothing to suggest they died due to their treatment while in detention. 

Yeah, but there isn't a reason - given all we know - to be giving the benefit of the doubt here. At the very least, people are entitled to wonder if the authorities did all they could to help the child survive, given how they've neglected or abused other such children.

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32 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Why? It’s like believing in elves or orcs or Bigfoot.   

Eh, I think by seven you should have figured it out, and let’s be real, we’re lying to kids about a meaningless thing. This is the rare time where I actually agree with Trump (while also getting why the optics are bad).

“All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."

REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.

"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"

YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.

"So we can believe the big ones?"

YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.

"They're not the same at all!"

YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.

"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point—"

MY POINT EXACTLY.” 
 Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

I think that Norad phone call just says a ton about Trump.

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