Jeeves Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 On 12/20/2018 at 3:41 PM, Son of Man said: Daenerys Targaryen is the true protagonists of the story. So yeah, there is a true protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here's Looking At You, Kid Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 12/24/2018 at 4:08 PM, Starkz said: Dany only became important when she got dragons. Even then she still has a long way to go. So far she hasn’t ruled well and has made a lot of mistakes. She’s not ready to make any major impact to the main story which is in Westeros. The people of Westeros aren’t going to flee to Essos either and the reason we disagree often is because your views are so blantanly biased and you paint everything Dany does as heroic. Daenerys Targaryen became important when George started writing A Game of Thrones. Her importance was and is clear from the very beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Moon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 22 hours ago, Here's Looking At You, Kid said: Daenerys Targaryen tornou-se importante quando George começou a escrever A Game of Thrones. Sua importância foi e é clara desde o início. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegon VII Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 On 12/20/2018 at 11:23 AM, Ambrose H said: Is there a true protagonist or hero in Asoiaf? I'm not sure there is, because GRRM does a great job at showing his characters as human (which is perhaps why his universe is so wildly popular), flaws and all. Up until when he kills his father in ASoS, Tyrion was my favorite "good guy" who I was absolutely rooting for. I still like him as a character, and he's still probably my favorite character for now, but he definitely lost some respect from me when he shot his father and strangled Shae. I understand why it was necessary in his eyes, but I think it could have been avoided, and definitely took him out of the running for protagonist in my book. Another "hero" I loved (and still do) was Robb. Sadly, as is well known by now, he met an untimely end at the hands of the Freys. When he was alive, though, he was the figurehead for the North to rally behind. Perhaps the most heroic character, Jon Snow definitely appeared incorruptible, up until he broke his vows. Again, I understand his motivations, but still. . . My running theory is that there is no true protagonist, to which the surplus of narrating characters surely contributes, but I'm interested to hear the community's thoughts on this matter -Ambrose Jon snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaydagawd Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Pretty sure the hero will be revealed to be Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullrout Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hero. Protagonist. Daeneys fulfills those roles better than anyone in the books. She comes the closest to the idea of protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholala17 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Idk about your definition of protagonist. Nobody is all flawless and totally heroic in this story. But if you're talking about main character, yes there is one. His name is Jon Snow. He is the literal title. He is on neither extreme end of the spectrum. He is both. The Prince That Was Promised etc etc. So main characterness: Jon (ice and fire) > Dany (fire only) > everybody else. Not that hard to undetstand unless of course you have Dany fan glasses on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaydagawd Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Remember when Sansa wanted a hero to throw down Janos Slynt and cut his head off but then she reflected that there are no heroes? Remember when Jon threw down Janos Slynt and cut his head off? He is literally the Prince that was Promised. "Promise me, Ned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, flaydagawd said: Remember when Sansa wanted a hero to throw down Janos Slynt and cut his head off but then she reflected that there are no heroes? Remember when Jon threw down Janos Slynt and cut his head off? He is literally the Prince that was Promised. "Promise me, Ned" Jon was supposed to hang Janos originally. Martin changed that after the chapter's reading when one of the fans told him that it would fit better if he cut his head off instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo of House Cartel Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Dany, Tyrion and Jon. While one/all three could eventually become villains/antagonists, as it stands I feel GRRM has clearly written these three to be the main heroes/protagonists of the tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Dofs said: Jon was supposed to hang Janos originally. Martin changed that after the chapter's reading when one of the fans told him that it would fit better if he cut his head off instead. Can you point me to the source, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Lost Melnibonean said: Can you point me to the source, please? Here is the Reddit thread where this change is shown: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a99t4/spoilers_all_from_print_to_publication_3_chapters/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, flaydagawd said: Sansa wanted a hero to throw down Janos Slynt Jon threw down Janos Slynt He is literally the Prince that was Promised. "Promise me, Ned" Oooh. I hope Robert Strong has Ned Head so he can nod approvingly of Jon and whisper something about promises kept. Or else that meaning of Promised Prince would never be confirmed for the masses. Then StoneCat and StrongNed could "head off" on a romantic horsedrawn carraige ride to show the reader that love conquers all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dofs said: Here is the Reddit thread where this change is shown: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2a99t4/spoilers_all_from_print_to_publication_3_chapters/ I am glad he made the change (as I am sure we all are), but based on the link you provided I am not convinced that a fan suggested the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Mother of The Others said: Oooh. I hope Robert Strong has Ned Head so he can nod approvingly of Jon and whisper something about promises kept. Or else that meaning of Promised Prince would never be confirmed for the masses. Then StoneCat and StrongNed could "head off" on a romantic horsedrawn carraige ride to show the reader that love conquers all. As long as he doesn't nod to hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 7:12 AM, Bullrout said: Hero. Protagonist. Daeneys fulfills those roles better than anyone in the books. She comes the closest to the idea of protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 23 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said: I am glad he made the change (as I am sure we all are), but based on the link you provided I am not convinced that a fan suggested the change. Tbh, I don't know the place where it was said. The link I gave you was what I googled after you asked me. I read it somewhere else quite a while ago that after the chapter's reading a fan suggested that hanging Janos is not what Ned taught (the one who judges should swing the sword or smth like that) which Martin agreed with and hence changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Dofs said: Tbh, I don't know the place where it was said. The link I gave you was what I googled after you asked me. I read it somewhere else quite a while ago that after the chapter's reading a fan suggested that hanging Janos is not what Ned taught (the one who judges should swing the sword or smth like that) which Martin agreed with and hence changed. I read all of the comments to the post, and all I saw was one dude saying that he thought the same thing. Those kinds of comments can take on lives of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Lost Melnibonean said: I read all of the comments to the post, and all I saw was one dude saying that he thought the same thing. Those kinds of comments can take on lives of their own. Well, I remember someone reputable claiming that but I honestly don't remember who or where. It does make sense anyway, considering that the chapter was indeed read to public with Jon hanging Janos. Jon beheading him definitely wasn't something that George planned from the very beginning and he only changed it very late into the writing process. So Sansa's wishes about a hero beheading Janos and Jon doing it is a coincidence. A pretty amazing one though, but a coincidence nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Rhaego Targaryen Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen. It is known! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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