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12 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

I really don’t want to sound like an alarmist, I was laughing at the Obama 2012 people who though he could lose MN, but Trump said something today in his mess of a press conference that has my hackles raised. He used the term that many have feared he might one day: national emergency. Now, declaring a national emergency to take control of the army for the purposes of building the wall isn’t that troublesome in and of itself, but what it does is twofold. First, it lets Trump know he can get away with it, and god knows what he could do with it in the future. Second, it lowers the bar for all future presidents if he does in fact do this. We’re still a long ways away from the Rubicon, but this could bring us one step closer, which is a frightening thought to me.

Surely the creation and abuse of a national emergency to grant himself dicatorial powers would (or certainly should) be grounds for an impeachment in and of itself.
Surely even Republicans in Congress/Senate don't want to be bypassed by a lose-canom president; or set the precedent for a future Democratic president.

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16 minutes ago, Which Tyler said:

Surely the creation and abuse of a national emergency to grant himself dicatorial powers would (or certainly should) be grounds for an impeachment in and of itself.
Surely even Republicans in Congress/Senate don't want to be bypassed by a lose-canom president; or set the precedent for a future Democratic president.

What future democratic president? Congress has abdicated power for decades. An autocracy is perfectly palatable for Fascists. In fact, it's a pretty big part of the promotional material. 

Humans are shortsighted and vain creatures, especially when they have power. Especially especially when they have everything to lose by trying to reverse an already established eventuality. 

Far easier to attempt to maneuver through the mists of collapsing democracy as unobtrusively as possible than to take a stand. Particularly if you're already well founded enough to have a position of authority in the first place.

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Supreme Court to take on partisan gerrymandering this year
The court will hear arguments over congressional maps in Maryland and North Carolina that lower courts have struck down.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/04/supreme-court-gerrymandering-case-maryland-north-carolina-1081760

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The Supreme Court will grapple with the legality of partisan gerrymandering in March when it hears arguments challenging congressional-district maps in two states.

The court announced Friday it would consider cases from Maryland and North Carolina after lower federal courts threw out the congressional maps in both states, ruling that they were so gerrymandered to favor one party that they violated the constitutional rights of voters. The high court will consider whether to uphold those rulings and order new maps drawn for the 2020 elections in those states.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

WRT to Ocasio-Cortez being at it again. As long as she is not going Bachmann batshit, can we at least wait and see how and what she actually does in congress?

But.. But... Her dancing!! 

:P

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On 1/1/2019 at 12:03 PM, OldGimletEye said:

 Christmas. Just a few very iconic American things that came from other ethnic groups or immigrants.

I agree with your main point, but "Christmas" did not come from "other ethnic groups or immigrants." Some of the common trappings of modern American Christmas, like Christmas trees, may have come from other countries than Britain, but Christmas was certainly celebrated in Virginia and most other English colonies in North America. Do not confuse the anti-Christmas sentiment of some Puritans in New England with the general way things were done in colonial British America.

https://www.historyisfun.org/jamestown-settlement/a-colonial-christmas/

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2 hours ago, maarsen said:

But.. But... Her dancing!! 

:P

It was clearly socialist dancing. I mean, she moved really far to the left.

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14 hours ago, Jace, Basilissa said:

What future democratic president? Congress has abdicated power for decades. An autocracy is perfectly palatable for Fascists. In fact, it's a pretty big part of the promotional material. 

Humans are shortsighted and vain creatures, especially when they have power. Especially especially when they have everything to lose by trying to reverse an already established eventuality. 

Far easier to attempt to maneuver through the mists of collapsing democracy as unobtrusively as possible than to take a stand. Particularly if you're already well founded enough to have a position of authority in the first place.

I said it earlier, I'll say it again:

 

Team Trump is far too corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent to pull off the 'dictatorship via national emergency' thing.  

 

Consider how badly Team Trump has botched past efforts like the travel ban, border abuses, and hurricane response.  Now, Trump being Trump, and him getting rid of the few relatively sane types left in the Whitehouse, yes he might issue the order - but Trump wants to be liked above almost all else, and a stunt like this would draw immediate, massive negative response all but the most fringe of news groups.  Likely, it would split his base and is probably one of the very few things that would prompt republican senators to go the impeachment route.   

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4 minutes ago, ThinkerX said:

I said it earlier, I'll say it again:

 

Team Trump is far too corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent to pull off the 'dictatorship via national emergency' thing.  

 

Consider how badly Team Trump has botched past efforts like the travel ban, border abuses, and hurricane response.  Now, Trump being Trump, and him getting rid of the few relatively sane types left in the Whitehouse, yes he might issue the order - but Trump wants to be liked above almost all else, and a stunt like this would draw immediate, massive negative response all but the most fringe of news groups.  Likely, it would split his base and is probably one of the very few things that would prompt republican senators to go the impeachment route.   

I'll give you that they couldn't pull it off. I will not allow delusions of Republican intervention to persist without challenge. 

And the moment I hear something about conscientious Generals I'm gonna lose it.

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Millions Could Lose Food Assistance If Government Shutdown Continues
Does Donald Trump want a border wall badly enough to let struggling Americans go hungry?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/government-shutdown-food-stamps_us_5c31070de4b0bcb4c25c4524

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WASHINGTON ― If the federal government remains partially shut down for several more months, as President Donald Trump suggested Friday, millions of people could lose food assistance. 

More than 38 million Americans receive monthly food benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, which is often known as food stamps and is arguably the federal government’s most important anti-poverty program. If Trump keeps the government shut down through February, benefits could stop. 

The U.S. Department of Agriculture runs the program and is one of the federal agencies that shut down last month as part of Trump’s strategy to force Congress to pay for a giant wall on the Mexican border. It’s just one of dozens of programs ― including tax credit refunds for the working poor ― that will be disrupted if the shutdown continues.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

Surely the creation and abuse of a national emergency to grant himself dicatorial powers would (or certainly should) be grounds for an impeachment in and of itself.
Surely even Republicans in Congress/Senate don't want to be bypassed by a lose-canom president; or set the precedent for a future Democratic president.

Have you seen any evidence that the majority of the current crop of Senate Republicans are devoted to democracy or even republicanism?

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7 hours ago, ThinkerX said:

I said it earlier, I'll say it again:

 

Team Trump is far too corrupt, cowardly, and incompetent to pull off the 'dictatorship via national emergency' thing.  

 

Consider how badly Team Trump has botched past efforts like the travel ban, border abuses, and hurricane response.  Now, Trump being Trump, and him getting rid of the few relatively sane types left in the Whitehouse, yes he might issue the order - but Trump wants to be liked above almost all else, and a stunt like this would draw immediate, massive negative response all but the most fringe of news groups.  Likely, it would split his base and is probably one of the very few things that would prompt republican senators to go the impeachment route.   

Worth remembering: a significant chunk of actual dictators were able to pull it off in part because they were considered such a joke to their contemporaries that many rolled their eyes at alarmists and even sometimes helped them along thinking that they were no real threat and their increased power would just make them more useful tools. These include Hitler and Mussolini.

Honestly, when it comes to getting absolute power, it’s very often better to be more Claudius than Caesar.

Edited by James Arryn

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7 hours ago, Martell Spy said:

Does Donald Trump want a border wall badly enough to let struggling Americans go hungry?

Has Donald Trump ever in his life given the slightest indication that he cares a single jot if struggling Americans go hungry?

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1 hour ago, James Arryn said:

Worth remembering: a significant chunk of actual dictators were able to pull it off in part because they were considered such a joke to their contemporaries that many rolled their eyes at alarmists and even sometimes helped them along thinking that they were no real threat and their increased power would just make them more useful tools. These include Hitler and Mussolini.

Honestly, when it comes to getting absolute power, it’s very often better to be more Claudius than Caesar.

Were Trump twenty years younger, possessed of a stronger personality, and had of competent advisors, I might be concerned.  As it is, he doesn't have any of that, plus the US has a strong framework that will work against the state of emergency takeover scheme. 

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22 minutes ago, mormont said:

Has Donald Trump ever in his life given the slightest indication that he cares a single jot if struggling Americans go hungry?

Trump does not care about hungry American's in the slightest.  What he HAS to pay attention to is border security - one of the very things threatened by his shutdown.  Mass layoffs of ICE personal hit the news, Trump's base freaks and he can't have that.

I do find myself wondering...maybe Trump gets most of his five billion for the wall - along with a revamped DACA including pathways to citizenship shoved down his throat to go along with it and serious restraints on what ICE can do, 

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On 1/5/2019 at 6:24 PM, Ormond said:

I agree with your main point, but "Christmas" did not come from "other ethnic groups or immigrants." Some of the common trappings of modern American Christmas, like Christmas trees, may have come from other countries than Britain, but Christmas was certainly celebrated in Virginia and most other English colonies in North America. Do not confuse the anti-Christmas sentiment of some Puritans in New England with the general way things were done in colonial British America.

https://www.historyisfun.org/jamestown-settlement/a-colonial-christmas/

You're right. But, I don't think Christmas as we know it, would be the same without the influence of German or Dutch immigrants.

Edited by OldGimletEye

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9 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

That's actually fascinating reading, thanks.

I thought so too. 

And you're welcome :)

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