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I always have trouble believing the overly-complicated theories involving sponsors and stuff.

And it wouldn't be a huge surprise next season if Willian keeps him on the bench anyway.

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It's a gamble of a signing at that price but it's one of those that could seem like a great deal in future years. He's got to get some consistency going but he's a magnificently gifted player in a very similar vein to Hazard and it's quite possible he'll be as good as him some day. A lot of people are getting hung up on the fact that the form of Sancho has kept him out of the team but the form of Sancho would keep almost anyone out of the team, he's having a season for the history books- Pulisic is still a player with elite potential.

And while I don't know if Nike chipped in, the fact that he's primed to be the USA's big star in the coming years definitely factored in to their thinking and the price.

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Pretty good signing for Chelsea. Pulisic has the potential to be a top player. I don't believe the nonsense about sponsors chipping in on transfer fees. Even at €64m this is still a good deal financially for Chelsea - Pulisic is set to be the biggest star in the cash cow US market so when it comes time to renew these kit deals, Chelsea will make that money back and then some quite easily. Surprised Woodward didn't make a move for Pulisic tbh. 

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Yes, he is an incredibly talented twenty year old player, and he really could turn out to be the first legit US player to get into the Worldclass bracket. Could is the key word there, however. The last one and a half season or so, his development stalled somewhat (if he has not regressed). That movement/drive towards the goal, well, he seems to have misplaed it a bit, and can't find it. However I stick with my overpaid comment. Dortmund making 45m+x € would've already been a good piece of business for htem, especially since his contract was up in 2020; and he has made it clear he would not sign a new deal. So 60m+ looks kinda crazy money for Pulisic. If Sarri can improve him as a player and push him into the Worldclass bracket, than kudos to him and Chelsea. However I remain sceptical.

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46 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

A lot of people are getting hung up on the fact that the form of Sancho has kept him out of the team but the form of Sancho would keep almost anyone out of the team, he's having a season for the history books- Pulisic is still a player with elite potential.
 

I think that's a very good point to make, regarding Sancho and Pulisic.

As I said before, I haven't really seen Pulisic play, but I know he is a highly rated young player, in a position we will probably need to fill, so it could be a very good deal for us. I'm not sure how long his contract with Chelsea is for, but we gave Kepa Arrizabalaga a seven year deal, and he is older than Pulisic, so Pulisic could be on a lengthy contract, too.

As for the transfer fee, in today's market, it is hard to get value for money, especially for a rich English club. A lot of transfer fees paid by big English clubs look excessive at the time, only for them to look good value once the player plays well or inflation grows. Think of VvD, Alisson, Walker, Laporte, Arrizabalaga, to name a few.

 

ETA: As mentioned previously, I hope this doesn't effect Callum Hudson-Odoi's chances of leaving the club. I still wouldn't see the point in spending big to sign Pulisic if we intend to sell another highly rated young winger that we haven't really given a proper chance to. I hope that Chelsea plan to keep Hudson-Odoi and potentially play the two players together. 

 

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1 hour ago, Consigliere said:

Pretty good signing for Chelsea. Pulisic has the potential to be a top player. I don't believe the nonsense about sponsors chipping in on transfer fees. Even at €64m this is still a good deal financially for Chelsea - Pulisic is set to be the biggest star in the cash cow US market so when it comes time to renew these kit deals, Chelsea will make that money back and then some quite easily. Surprised Woodward didn't make a move for Pulisic tbh. 

Chelsea’s deal lasts to 2032, so it is pretty unlikely they will see a direct return in their next negotiation. They will still get around 10% of Nike’s profits from their shirts, thousands of American fans and the commercial deals that will come with that, but Nike is the big winner here.

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8 minutes ago, Philokles said:

Chelsea’s deal lasts to 2032, so it is pretty unlikely they will see a direct return in their next negotiation. They will still get around 10% of Nike’s profits from their shirts, thousands of American fans and the commercial deals that will come with that, but Nike is the big winner here.

It's a good financial deal for Chelsea as well. As you say yourself, they should be receiving a bit more from Nike and Pulisic will help to attract further sponsorships from American companies in addition to making use of his image rights - making back the money plus a shitload more shouldn't be a problem unless Chelsea's commercial people are incompetent. Sure, Nike are going to make a killing and Dortmund will be over the moon but taking into account Pulisic's age, potential and huge marketability, this represents a low risk with potential high rewards for Chelsea. 

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In shock news, failed manager who used to play to a decent standard gets a new job despite being shite pretty much everywhere he has ever been (Steve Bruce to Sheff Wed).

When will this managerial merry go round end? 

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2 hours ago, Jordan La Cabra said:

As for the transfer fee, in today's market, it is hard to get value for money, especially for a rich English club. A lot of transfer fees paid by big English clubs look excessive at the time, only for them to look good value once the player plays well or inflation grows. Think of VvD, Alisson, Walker, Laporte, Arrizabalaga, to name a few.

Is Arrizabalaga looking like good value? He's looked ok when I've seen him play, here's an article from statsbomb in November comparing how Alisson and Kepa have started, they basically have Arrizabalaga performing at an average Premier League goalkeeper level. There's nothing wrong with that and with it being a small sample size and him being a young player he could well improve beyond that level but with the transfer fee they paid you'd want him to be world class. 

I'd guess that'd be the same concern you'd have with Pulisic, he's certainly talented but they've probably paid more than he's currently worth. It'll be interesting to see how he does.

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I’d take Hudson-Odoi at Liverpool if he’s now feeling even more frustrated about his path to the first XI.  He’s probably ready now to back-up Mane, while Klopp seems to think Curtis-Jones is not ready yet.

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2 hours ago, ljkeane said:

Is Arrizabalaga looking like good value? He's looked ok when I've seen him play, here's an article from statsbomb in November comparing how Alisson and Kepa have started, they basically have Arrizabalaga performing at an average Premier League goalkeeper level. There's nothing wrong with that and with it being a small sample size and him being a young player he could well improve beyond that level but with the transfer fee they paid you'd want him to be world class. 

I'd guess that'd be the same concern you'd have with Pulisic, he's certainly talented but they've probably paid more than he's currently worth. It'll be interesting to see how he does.

I think he has looked good value. In my opinion, Hazard, Rudiger, Azpilicueta, Kante and Arrizabalaga have been Chelsea’s best players this season.

If you compare him directly to Alisson, you’d say Alisson definitely has made the bigger impact, but Alisson has maybe been the best goalkeeper in the Premier League this season. 

This may be a premature statement, but the only area of the goalkeeping game I think Arrizabalaga is a downgrade on Courtois is his ability to claim a high ball/cross - and even at that, he hasn’t really fumbled or flapped at anything major.

In terms of shot stopping, personally, I didn’t think Courtois made many outstanding saves. Already this season, Arrizabalaga has made a few fantastic stops. As for playing out from the back, Arrizabalaga seems much more comfortable with the ball at his feet, and takes more risks with his passing. 

Chelsea gave Arrizabalaga a seven year deal and Barkley a five and a half year deal, so it’s likely we have given Pulisic a lengthy one, too. So while the fee for Pulisic looks expensive now, unless he is a total flop and we have to sell him, it’s hopefully going to look like a good deal in the future.

 

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I won't cry if we don't have a goalfest tonight, just take the 3pts and leave St James goddamn Park as fast as possible. 

United with easily one of the best bench in the league, with Fred, Alexis and Lukaku all benched (one of 'em returning from injury, I'm aware). Too bad I can't tell the same of our starting XI. We are decent in midfield and attack, but our back 4 remains doubt-maker.

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Bournemouth behind to Watford ATM.  They are in a rotten run of form after starting the season well.  I think they’ve lost eight of their last ten, or something similar. 

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What the fuck is happening at Bournemouth? I just flicked over and it's 3-3.

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1 minute ago, BigFatCoward said:

What the fuck is happening at Bournemouth? I just flicked over and it's 3-3.

Yee I’m watching the wrong game

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Chances for both Uniteds in the 8pm match. Newcastle might be better served moving Atsu onto the right side - he's been pretty isolated when they've broken so at least he'd have a chance of getting a decent shot off from that side.

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Damn, it looks like I've missed an awesome 1st half in the Bournemouth/Watford game. 

As for our game, Rafa has set Newcastle up the way I expected him to and they are proving to be difficult to break down. I'm kinda expecting one clinical counter from Newcastle to sucker punch us and see the game out 1-0. It's also become blatantly clear that Valencia is finished. His decline started last season and is in full swing now. Valencia/Mata was absolutely the worst combination that Solskjaer could have picked for our right side. 

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3 minutes ago, Consigliere said:

Damn, it looks like I've missed an awesome 1st half in the Bournemouth/Watford game. 

As for our game, Rafa has set Newcastle up the way I expected him to and they are proving to be difficult to break down. I'm kinda expecting one clinical counter from Newcastle to sucker punch us and see the game out 1-0. It's also become blatantly clear that Valencia is finished. His decline started last season and is in full swing now. Valencia/Mata was absolutely the worst combination that Solskjaer could have picked for our right side. 

Yup. Would have definitely seen a Young-Alexis partnership on the right side. Hopefully both of 'em are gonna come into the 2nd half.

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Solid display. Nice to get a clean sheet. Rashford was excellent again. Newcastle lucky to finish the game with 11 players. Shelvey should have been sent off and Lascelles could have seen red as well. 

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