UK politics: The tale of an old (Ber)crow who flew down from the cuckoo's nest...

[divica]

9 minutes ago, A wilding said:

Surely it is clear?

May's plan is to delay and obfuscate until the last minute, so that she can then be in a position to tell parliament "vote for my deal as it is this instant, or we will crash out with a no deal, and I have made sure everyone has been made entirely clear as how how much of a disaster no deal will be".

With this strategy, getting the Brady amendment passed makes complete sense. It buys more time while she goes back to the EU for another pointless attempt at negotiation that will achieve nothing but run the clock down some more.
 

And is it her fault?

The UE have already stated their conditions, the UK parliament doesn t accept them and doesn t want a no deal… She either delays and forces the only possible deal or resigns and someone will do what she is doing now...

There aren t other solutions...

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just now, divica said:

And is it her fault?

The UE have already stated their conditions, the UK parliament doesn t accept them and doesn t want a no deal… She either delays and forces the only possible deal or resigns and someone will do what she is doing now...

There aren t other solutions...

Not with her red lines, no.

[Heartofice]

24 minutes ago, A wilding said:

Surely it is clear?

May's plan is to delay and obfuscate until the last minute, so that she can then be in a position to tell parliament "vote for my deal as it is this instant, or we will crash out with a no deal, and I have made sure everyone has been made entirely clear as how how much of a disaster no deal will be".

With this strategy, getting the Brady amendment passed makes complete sense. It buys more time while she goes back to the EU for another pointless attempt at negotiation that will achieve nothing but run the clock down some more.
 

Yes more than likely. Unfortunately No Deal is the far more likely outcome there.

10 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Not with her red lines, no.

What red lines could you delete and still justifiably describe it as Brexit?

[A wilding]

13 minutes ago, divica said:

There aren t other solutions... 

It is clear there is no majority for her version of Brexit. But does that mean that there is no majority for some other sort of Brexit? It is not as if the referendum was remotely clear about what sort of Brexit people were voting for ...

 

[Heartofice]

1 minute ago, A wilding said:

It is clear there is no majority for her version of Brexit. But does that mean that there is no majority for some other sort of Brexit? It is not as if the referendum was remotely clear about what sort of Brexit people were voting for ...

 

It’s pretty clear that any form of Brexit would have to remove free movement and the jurisdiction of the ECJ.  Once you’ve achieved that then you make your choices 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just now, Heartofice said:

It’s pretty clear that any form of Brexit would have to remove free movement and the jurisdiction of the ECJ.  Once you’ve achieved that then you make your choices 

Then stop whining about not getting a better deal.

[divica]

3 minutes ago, A wilding said:

It is clear there is no majority for her version of Brexit. But does that mean that there is no majority for some other sort of Brexit? It is not as if the referendum was remotely clear about what sort of Brexit people were voting for …

 

Whatever the people want there needs to be a majority in parlament about a deal aproved by the UE. And the problem lies here. 

Not only isn t there a majority as the UE doesn t accept the conditions the UK wants. From what we know the UE won t budge much from this agreement and the parlament is against it… So what can may do?

[Chaircat Meow]

Grieve's latest amendment, to force the gov to hold a series of indicative votes to determine what the HoC actually wants lost by 20 votes. So that's the DUP in action in again.

This doesn't bode well for Cooper's amendment.

Bad.

[Chaircat Meow]

Cooper amendment defeated 298-321

I think we might be fucked. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Good moment to ask, whether I remember correctly that you actually are a Tory voter?

[Chaircat Meow]

6 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Good moment to ask, whether I remember correctly that you actually are a Tory voter?

It is not my fault that a substantial minority of Tory mps and by the looks of things a majority of party members, have lost their minds and are behaving in a manner that can not reasonably be called conservative. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Depends, who is your MP?

[Philokles]

So they now vote to non-bindingly reject no deal minutes after voting against bindingly rejecting no deal. Spineless bastards.

[Chaircat Meow]

6 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Depends, who is your MP?

It doesn't depend actually, as my MP is Labour. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Then you are off the hook, if your MP had been the three letter one, that would've been different story. 

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Just now, Philokles said:

So they now vote to non-bindingly reject no deal minutes after voting against bindingly rejecting no deal. Spineless bastards.

Yeah, but even that one did not really get a really big result. That's imho the bigger message.

I mean 318-310. So there are 310 MPs who are cool with no-deal. 

[Chaircat Meow]

Brady amendment passed; May now promising to rip up her own deal, total capitulation to ERG and DUP. 

[Werthead]

What an utter shambolic farce.

[A Horse Named Stranger]

Comedy whatever the exact opposite of gold is.

Parliament: We reject no-deal.

Parliament: We also reject any concrete legislation (Grieve and Cooper) that gives us an opportunity to stop no-deal and figure out what we want.

Parliament: We support a general vague motion that we reject no-deal.

Parliament: We also support the hunt for unicorns and the reopening of the WA, despite our negotiation partner having that ruled out.

If it wasn't real, it would almost be funny.

[A wilding]

2 hours ago, divica said:

Whatever the people want there needs to be a majority in parlament about a deal aproved by the UE. And the problem lies here. 

Not only isn t there a majority as the UE doesn t accept the conditions the UK wants. From what we know the UE won t budge much from this agreement and the parlament is against it… So what can may do?

 

That the problem in a nutshell. The voters were promised a "have your cake and eat it" Brexit. The EU was and is never going to agree to that. So what do our poor spineless MPs do now we are at the crux?