drawkcabi #201 Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Jace, Basilissa said: I wasn't attacking you or anything. Forgive my bombastic ways if it seemed so. Meanwhile though, please don't confuse the difference between a weak willed puppet levered by the most base emotions and a shark wearing a person mask. "Candygram?" 10 hours ago, Ice Queen said: We're also part of the Great Lakes Conference which includes western PA, Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, western NY, Minnesota (and Ontario and Quebec). We have far more in common with those regions than we do the Northeast. Even Harrisburg thinks the state ends at the Susquehanna. and southern NJ thinks it's all part of Philadelphia. Philly refuses to take any more than half the state though so NYC has to take north Jersey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jace, Basilissa #202 Posted January 19 2 hours ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: And the shark, it has teeth, and it wears them in the face. And MacHeath, he has a knife, but the knife can't be seen. . 37 minutes ago, drawkcabi said: "Candygram?". Putting em all on the table, and maybe my stupid is showing extra obvious today, but I didn't understand either of these references. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mindwalker #203 Posted January 19 23 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Putting em all on the table, and maybe my stupid is showing extra obvious today, but I didn't understand either of these references. The first one is a quote from this musical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Threepenny_Opera - "The Ballad of Mack the Knife" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drawkcabi #204 Posted January 19 36 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Putting em all on the table, and maybe my stupid is showing extra obvious today, but I didn't understand either of these references. https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/landshark/2832305 1 Jace, Basilissa reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jace, Basilissa #205 Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, drawkcabi said: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/landshark/2832305 Belushi! What a treat. 1 drawkcabi reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #206 Posted January 19 Swan: Trump to propose shutdown compromise Quote President Trump plans to use remarks from the Diplomatic Reception Room on Saturday afternoon to propose a notable immigration compromise, according to sources familiar with the speech. Details: The offer is expected to include Trump’s $5.7 billion demand for wall money in exchange for the BRIDGE Act — which would extend protections for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) — and also legislation to extend the legal status of Temporary Protected Status (TPS) holders, according to a source with direct knowledge. Gotta figure there will be considerable pressure on Pelosi to accept that deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kalbear #207 Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, DMC said: Swan: Trump to propose shutdown compromise Gotta figure there will be considerable pressure on Pelosi to accept that deal. There might be, and it's a decent deal, but I'm skeptical Senate repubs will go along with it, and it still is bullshit to do negotiations on the government being closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #208 Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, Kalbear said: I'm skeptical Senate repubs will go along with it, and it still is bullshit to do negotiations on the government being closed. Per Swan's reporting, it was McConnell (along with Kushner and Pence) that put together this deal, so one would assume the Senate GOP is on board. And yes, of course it's still bullshit to negotiate $5 billion of wall funding through shutting down the government. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kalbear #209 Posted January 19 Oh never mind, this is just the temp protection for 3 years. Basically it gives nothing they dont already have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Unwashed #210 Posted January 19 18 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Oh never mind, this is just the temp protection for 3 years. Basically it gives nothing they dont already have. Yeah Democrats can't cave to this bullshit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #211 Posted January 19 21 minutes ago, Kalbear said: Oh never mind, this is just the temp protection for 3 years. Basically it gives nothing they dont already have. We'll see what the details are, but eliminating uncertainty for 3 years for the 1.8 million that would be covered under DACA and TPS isn't nothing. I agree the Dems should demand a permanent pathway to citizenship for wall funding. Politically, I don't have an opinion yet on whether they should take the deal (in part because I'd like to wait until the deal is actually offered). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Arryn #212 Posted January 19 It’s so distopian bizarre-beyond-belief that we’re still talking about a medieval non-solution to a non-problem in the 21st century. A fucking wall. 1 larrytheimp reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jace, Basilissa #213 Posted January 19 58 minutes ago, DMC said: Swan: Trump to propose shutdown compromise Gotta figure there will be considerable pressure on Pelosi to accept that deal. She better fucking not. 4 minutes ago, DMC said: We'll see what the details are, but eliminating uncertainty for 3 years for the 1.8 million that would be covered under DACA and TPS isn't nothing. Yes it is. Yes it is. Yes it is. It's worse than nothing, it's elongating their time spent as useful hostages. It's undermining Democratic resolve and bolstering the fascists while opening the door for Fox News to paint the shutdown onto the backs of democrats over DACA again. We can't help them. They have no electoral value anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #214 Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Yes it is. Yes it is. Yes it is. Uh, no it's not times four. 10 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: It's worse than nothing, it's elongating their time spent as useful hostages. It's undermining Democratic resolve and bolstering the fascists while opening the door for Fox News to paint the shutdown onto the backs of democrats over DACA again. We can't help them. They have no electoral value anyway. I really don't give a shit how Fox News is going to paint the shutdown. No matter how it ends, they're going to paint it as a victory for Trump. What's actually important is how the public overall views it - really how they'll view whatever Pelosi's reaction is - which is the other part of why I don't have an opinion yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jace, Basilissa #215 Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, DMC said: I really don't give a shit how Fox News is going to paint the shutdown. No matter how it ends, they're going to paint it as a victory for Trump. What's actually important is how the public overall views it - really how they'll view whatever Pelosi's reaction is - which is the other part of why I don't have an opinion yet. This is why we're a party of losers. Dangle a shiny object in front of a Democrat and they'll thank you for tossing it down a storm drain before the ink on a 'deal' is dry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #216 Posted January 19 1 minute ago, Jace, Basilissa said: This is why we're a party of losers. Dangle a shiny object in front of a Democrat and they'll thank you for tossing it down a storm drain before the ink on a 'deal' is dry. Ugh. No one's saying that. There are many reactions Pelosi can make to this - such as demanding a path to citizenship - that is both not bending over nor rejecting it in such a way you look intractable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jace, Basilissa #217 Posted January 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DMC said: Ugh. No one's saying that. There are many reactions Pelosi can make to this - such as demanding a path to citizenship - that is both not bending over nor rejecting it in such a way you look intractable. Even allowing them to tie DACA to this shutdown in any way is a massive defeat regardless of the factual outcome. Pelosi needs to reject this offer wholesale, and make clear that a path to full citizenship is all that will be negotiated for after the government is opened. Edited January 19 by Jace, Basilissa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMC #218 Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, Jace, Basilissa said: Even allowing them to tie DACA to this shutdown in any way is a massive defeat regardless of the factual outcome. That's just a ridiculous position. Securing a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million people is clearly a bigger victory both policy and politically than $5.7 billion in funding for a wall that will cost at least $15 billion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mexal #219 Posted January 19 Another interesting interpretation of Peter Carr's statement last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mexal #220 Posted January 19 Just now, DMC said: That's just a ridiculous position. Securing a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million people is clearly a bigger victory both policy and politically than $5.7 billion in funding for a wall that will cost at least $15 billion. The wall will cost more than $15 billion. Regardless, I agree, securing citizenship for 1.8 million people is a good deal. Getting an extra 3 years of limbo from a President who does not keep his word and would be happy to cancel it the next time the government is shutdown is stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites