Small Questions v. 10106

[Corvo the Crow]

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Edited July 30, 2023 by Corvo the Crow

[Corvo the Crow]

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Edited July 30, 2023 by Corvo the Crow

[Lyanna<3Rhaegar]

12 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Show question: 

Was Sir Christopher Lee, may he rest in lights, ever thought for a role in the show. Every time I hear Charles Dance’s voice, which has so much authority to it, I find my self thinking Sir Christopher Lee’s was even more so. I would have loved it so much seeing these two oppose each other. 

Knight of the Voice he was.

Not sure, but you might be better off posting this in the show forum. 

[frenin]

@Ran

Did the Targs burned Sunspear during the First Dornish Wars?? In Twoiaf, Sunspear not burning but the rest of Dorne sticking with the Martells is a huge show of faith to Meria's cause/hatred for the Targs but in F&b Sunspear just burns with the rest.

Which one is the true??

Edited September 6, 2019 by frenin

[The Wondering Wolf]

3 minutes ago, frenin said:

@Ran

Did the Targs burned Sunspear during the First Dornish Wars?? In Twoiaf, Sunspear not burning but the rest of Dorne sticking with the Martells is a huge show of faith to Meria's cause/hatred for the Targs but in F&b Sunspear just burns with the rest.

Which one is the true??

It did not burn.

[frenin]

36 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

It did not burn.

Thanks.

[Sigmundrr]

What can Weirwoods see? I mean, it looks like they (and bran) can see atleast past & present. Maybe Future. But where? Looks like they see/know also alot of Stuff thats not happening around Weirwoods. Sure maybe they can watch through Animals too. But this still does not cover the whole world?

[HexMachina]

9 hours ago, Sigmundrr said:

What can Weirwoods see? I mean, it looks like they (and bran) can see atleast past & present. Maybe Future. But where? Looks like they see/know also alot of Stuff thats not happening around Weirwoods. Sure maybe they can watch through Animals too. But this still does not cover the whole world?

Bran’s Weirwood vision is through the Winterfell heart tree. He has other dreams/visions that are not through that heart tree, e.g. when he sees the Heart of Winter during his coma. Bloodraven tells him that he will eventually learn to see beyond the trees thouh, they are simply a useful conduit. 

So, to answer your question, i guess the Weirwoods themselves see only what is in their line of sight

[Bael's Bastard]

The only way I can see the Weirwoods "seeing the future" is in a scenario where what we are reading in ASOIAF is a past that has already occurred, which the Weirwoods have already witnessed at some point during their lives. 

Bran's vision and Jojen's greendreams, however, seem to be another matter.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Bael's Bastard

[Ser Leftwich]

On 9/9/2019 at 7:06 AM, Sigmundrr said:

What can Weirwoods see? I mean, it looks like they (and bran) can see atleast past & present. Maybe Future. But where? Looks like they see/know also alot of Stuff thats not happening around Weirwoods. Sure maybe they can watch through Animals too. But this still does not cover the whole world?

There is likely some cost to the greenseers. The further back/more accurately they can see, the less mobile they are. Or another way of putting it, the more powerful the magic, the more dependent they are on being one with the tree.

To quote another famous story, I would venture that, "Difficult to see. Always in motion, the future is," is the case in ASOIAF, as well. So even if greenseers can see the future, it would be either fleeting or they themselves are so far gone into the trees that they can't convey those visions to the living, except through dreams/magic.  Magic is costly in ASOIAF, so the more accurate/powerful, the greater the cost.

[Lost Melnibonean]

14 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said:

There is likely some cost to the greenseers. The further back/more accurately they can see, the less mobile they are. Or another way of putting it, the more powerful the magic, the more dependent they are on being one with the tree.

To quote another famous story, I would venture that, "Difficult to see. Always in motion, the future is," is the case in ASOIAF, as well. So even if greenseers can see the future, it would be either fleeting or they themselves are so far gone into the trees that they can't convey those visions to the living, except through dreams/magic.  Magic is costly in ASOIAF, so the more accurate/powerful, the greater the cost.

No need to quote Yoda...

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"In the long hall, the things I saw . . . were they true visions, or lies? Past things, or things to come? What did they mean?"

. . . the shape of shadows . . . morrows not yet made . . . 

 

Of course that's from the Undying Ones, which presumably use a different voodoo, but I think that's the idea. 

I think the visions have to be inspired by some entity with the power tonproject such visions. One such entity could be a super powerful greenseer like Brynden Rivers. Presumably, he is omniscient, since he can see through countless trees and animals, enabling him to predict future events acurately. 

And keep in mind that such entities might be showing visions not only to warn, but also to inspire certain actions. 

[Alexis-something-Rose]

Two things;

Going through Feast. 

Tris Botley was fostered at Blacktyde after he was sent away from Pyke and there was mention that it was as Baelor Blacktyde's ward.

It was Balon who'd sent the boy away from Pyke, to be a ward of Baelor Blacktyde's. "Is it true you are Lord Botley now?" (The Kraken's Daughter, AFfC 11)

I'm sort of trying to do the math on this one. Asha is 24-25 years old currently. Tristifer Botley is about her age or a tad older. The Greyjoy Rebellion was in 289 AC, putting Asha at about 13-14 years old. Baelor Blacktyde was taken as a hostage to Oldtown and stayed there for 8 years. And his father died during the Greyjoy Rebellion. Is it an error or am I misunderstanding the timeline? Or are we looking at this as yes, he was on Blacktyde as a ward of Baelor because he was the lord there, even though he was hostage at Oldtown. 

Crackclaw Point, old gods or the new, since the region was not conquered by the Andals.

[Ckram]

I have been often told Lysa forbade sweetrobin from visiting Jon Arryn in his deathbed. Is that so? I've scanned the books and found nothing on it.

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

17 hours ago, Ckram said:

I have been often told Lysa forbade sweetrobin from visiting Jon Arryn in his deathbed. Is that so? I've scanned the books and found nothing on it.

It's true.

AGOT, Eddard V:

Pycelle wrinkled his brow. "In the last stage of his fever, the Hand called out the name Robert several times, but whether he was asking for his son or for the king I could not say. Lady Lysa would not permit the boy to enter the sickroom, for fear that he too might be taken ill. The king did come, and he sat beside the bed for hours, talking and joking of times long past in hopes of raising Lord Jon's spirits. His love was fierce to see."

[Ckram]

@Rhaenys_Targaryen, you're the best. Thank you. 

[Tywin Manderly]

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"I brought you from your cell to carry my message to your cousin Cersei Lannister in King's Landing. You'll travel under a peace banner, with thirty of my best men to escort you."

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The market square inside the Gate of the Gods, which in normal times would have been thronged with farmers selling vegetables, was near deserted when Tyrion crossed it. Ser Jacelyn met him at the gate, and raised his iron hand in brusque salute. "My lord. Your cousin Cleos Frey is here, come from Riverrun under a peace banner with a letter from Robb Stark."

What does such a Westerosi peace banner look like? A white flag? A Rainbow flag?

[Lost Melnibonean]

5 hours ago, Ckram said:

@Rhaenys_Targaryen, you're the best. Thank you. 

She really is. 

[Ckram]

8 hours ago, Tywin Manderly said:

What does such a Westerosi peace banner look like? A white flag? A Rainbow flag?

According to french illustrator Marc Simonetti, George said it's a rainbow flag.

[zionius]

On 9/13/2019 at 8:50 AM, Alexis-something-Rose said:

Two things;

Going through Feast. 

Tris Botley was fostered at Blacktyde after he was sent away from Pyke and there was mention that it was as Baelor Blacktyde's ward.

It was Balon who'd sent the boy away from Pyke, to be a ward of Baelor Blacktyde's. "Is it true you are Lord Botley now?" (The Kraken's Daughter, AFfC 11)

I'm sort of trying to do the math on this one. Asha is 24-25 years old currently. Tristifer Botley is about her age or a tad older. The Greyjoy Rebellion was in 289 AC, putting Asha at about 13-14 years old. Baelor Blacktyde was taken as a hostage to Oldtown and stayed there for 8 years. And his father died during the Greyjoy Rebellion. Is it an error or am I misunderstanding the timeline? Or are we looking at this as yes, he was on Blacktyde as a ward of Baelor because he was the lord there, even though he was hostage at Oldtown. 

Crackclaw Point, old gods or the new, since the region was not conquered by the Andals.

affc only says Baelor had been eight years a hostage in Oldtown, which could well be before the Rebellion and his father's death. Given he was named Baelor, I think his father also believed in Faith and sent him to Oldtown for alliance.

Edited September 16, 2019 by zionius

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

7 hours ago, Tywin Manderly said:

What does such a Westerosi peace banner look like? A white flag? A Rainbow flag?

The only descriptions given are these:

Qyburn's companionship was wearing on him. Jaime trotted toward the head of the column. A round little tick of a northman name of Nage went before Steelshanks with the peace banner; a rainbow-striped flag with seven long tails, on a staff topped by a seven-pointed star. "Shouldn't you northmen have a different sort of peacebanner?" he asked Walton. "What are the Seven to you?"

ASOS, Jaime 6

 

Nage led them up a low hill, the seven-tailed peacebanner lifting and turning in the wind, the polished seven-pointed star shining bright upon its staff. 

ASOS, Jaime 7

 

As this banner associates with the Seven, the North and Iron Islands presumably use a different, albeit not described, peace banner.

 

8 hours ago, Ckram said:

@Rhaenys_Targaryen, you're the best. Thank you. 

You're very welcome!

3 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

She really is.