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1 hour ago, Nittanian said:

Maybe the small "thumb" near Pebble?

For a long time I have thought so, In that case It’d be the smallest of Fingers and Littlefinger’s home, however Journeys section show Sansa passes from one of the other four, Second one if I recall. So can’t be.

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In the world book, picture for the great council of 101 has Hoare flags all over the walls. Why?

Do landed knights have vassal lords/landed knights beneath them?

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8 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Do landed knights have vassal lords/landed knights beneath them?

Well I guess this is quiet easy to answer. Yes. Some houses of landed knights are lords in all but name, my first thoughts go to house Templeton. They have a lot of land and in this system they have to manage it. So I think that there are landed knight below them but no lords. Hierarchy doesn't work like that. If you're a lord, no knight will tell you what to do. Otherwise your lordship will be revoked soon

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6 hours ago, Deepbollywood Motte said:

Well I guess this is quiet easy to answer. Yes. Some houses of landed knights are lords in all but name, my first thoughts go to house Templeton. They have a lot of land and in this system they have to manage it. So I think that there are landed knight below them but no lords. Hierarchy doesn't work like that. If you're a lord, no knight will tell you what to do. Otherwise your lordship will be revoked soon

We have the Tallharts; The Wildhares are mere boys but with lances, horses and suits of armor. These are all expensive stuff for a lord(or master) to give to boys so these must be sons of some petty nobility, or at least land holders of some sort with obligation to fight.

But we are never given a clear picture on what they are. 

As for Templetons, we see “empty” holdfasts in both the first Bran chapter and Jon and Tyrion’s travel to Wall. Ned saying Bran would hold one in Robb’s name also suggests there are many available. This means Starks themselves have some holdfasts( with their villages) with no lords or masters as an intermediary. It would be easier for Templetons to do the same since they are just one lord in the much smaller and overall more densely populated Vale.

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17 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

In the world book, picture for the great council of 101 has Hoare flags all over the walls. Why?

Because that gathering took place at Harrenhal, the castle build by Harren Hoare. So, maybe, Marc Simonetti, the artist that made that picture, looked thru coats of arms of the Houses, that owned Harrenhal, and either he didn't knew, that in 101 the castle was owned not by House Hoare, or he knew, that Hoares weren't Lords of Harrenhal anymore, but still chose to use their banners, as decorations in that picture, either for some specific reason or just because. Would be weird if Hoares' banners were hanging in some other castle, but there's nothing weird about them being present in Harrenhal. Hoares build Harrenhal, so at least they deserve to be acknowledged for that. So those banners could be there as a gesture of acknowledgement. Or they are there for superstitious reasons, as a protection against ghosts of Hoares and their people, that were burned at Harrenhal.

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34 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

Why does the wiki refer to Lollys baby, Tyrion, as Tanner?

Wasn't Lollys raped behind a tanner's shop? 

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6 hours ago, Hugorfonics said:

Why does the wiki refer to Lollys baby, Tyrion, as Tanner?

Because that is what the appendix of ADWD gives as his full name. :)

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22 hours ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

Wasn't Lollys raped behind a tanner's shop? 

Maybe they found her there? She was missing the whole night. 

16 hours ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

Because that is what the appendix of ADWD gives as his full name. :)

Lol thats a very good reason. Thanks

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Stannis had 3000 soldiers,sellswords, freeriders and a huge fleet with all their crews, including pirates? Why didn’t he strike at KL while Renly was slowly moving and Tywin was busy in RL?

We had something similar in Dance.

Also why does no one reach out to Doran Martell? Renly expects him to fight with him but doesn’t do anything else. Stannis and Robb both should have asked for his help promising Tywin’s head.

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2 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Stannis had 3000 soldiers,sellswords, freeriders and a huge fleet with all their crews, including pirates? Why didn’t he strike at KL while Renly was slowly moving and Tywin was busy in RL?

Because he would have failed miserably. He had no way of taking the walls with that paltry force. By Dance, his desperation is several notches higher, and he's trusting in part to the idea that the Bolton forces are fractious and not operating fully together and in part to the idea that he can lure them from the walls to prepared ground where he believes he'll be able to have an advantage. But it's a roll of the dice he has to make.

Renly seemed to think Dorne was soon going to join him with all their power, which could suggest that he had already been in communication with them and was receiving answers that could be construed that way (at least if one wanted to read them optimistically). Or he was just assuming they'd see the sense once he had King's Landing under siege.

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13 hours ago, Ran said:

Because he would have failed miserably. He had no way of taking the walls with that paltry force. By Dance, his desperation is several notches higher, and he's trusting in part to the idea that the Bolton forces are fractious and not operating fully together and in part to the idea that he can lure them from the walls to prepared ground where he believes he'll be able to have an advantage. But it's a roll of the dice he has to make.

 

That very same thing happened in Dance though. Yes in Dance they also had some Gold Cloak supporters but we see that Stannis has supporters among the populace, Antler men and Janos and a few of the officers are "disliked" among some members of the GC so he had his inside support as well. For a master of deception like Stannis(Ironborn, Wildlings and now Boltons), he may very well have loaded some fishing boats with men under the disguise of fishers and have them act a few days later to open a gate once his fleet arrives.

 

What about Stannis and Robb? Robb is just a kid but Martell hostility towards Lannisters should have been known by Cat. As for Stannis, there is talk about marrying shireen to sweet Robyn so marriage alliances are considered and the Martells with a hate for Tywin and their supposed 50000 men are a better candidate for an ally.

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Stannis did not know about the Antlered Men or really anything about the condition of King's Landing.

He also had Melisandre telling him that if he did not deal with Renly, Renly would smash him no matter what he did.

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I wonder why Jon was so hellbent on saving the wildings at Hardhome. I know it was a humanitarian mission but he had enough to do keeping the Night's Watch together.

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1 hour ago, namesarehard said:

I wonder why Jon was so hellbent on saving the wildings at Hardhome. I know it was a humanitarian mission but he had enough to do keeping the Night's Watch together.

Jon was concern was twofold: 1) about saving lives, his motive coming from the Night's Watch vows, "the shield that guards the realms of men, " and 2) More people alive, fewer zombles.

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19 hours ago, Ran said:

He also had Melisandre telling him that if he did not deal with Renly, Renly would smash him no matter what he did.

Right! Forgot that she said “Renly” would crush him beneath KL.

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21 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said:

Jon was concern was twofold: 1) about saving lives, his motive coming from the Night's Watch vows, "the shield that guards the realms of men, " and 2) More people alive, fewer zombles.

Good point.

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We know Cape Wrath doesn’t have a hundred towns and castles, it doesn’t even have a third of it and Lord Manderly has 100 landed knights and a dozen lesser lords. That means Manderly alone(vassals included) can raise several times more men than that can be raised from cape wrath, right? Since this is a major part of the SL, where does SL’s strength come from?

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I think "castles" is being used for something more substantive than mere towerhouses or a rude holdfast, which most landed knights would have as their homes.  

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The remainder of the year 131 AC was a time of departures, as the great lords of Westeros took their leaves of King’s Landing one by one to return to their own seats of power. Amongst the first to flee were the Three Widows, after bidding tearful farewells to the daughters, son, siblings, and cousins who would remain to serve the new king and queen as companions and hostages. Cregan Stark led his much-diminished host north along the kingsroad within a fortnight of the coronation; three days later, Lord Blackwood and Lady Alysanne set out for Raventree, with a thousand of Stark’s northerners as a tail. Lord Lyonel and his paramour, the Lady Sam, rode south for Oldtown with their Hightowers

First, there's an error, only Johanna could leave at that time, since Elenda didn't attend the wedding, and Samantha's leave was described later.

Second, who's the "son" supposed to be? It seems only Lady Sam's step-sons, Martyn and Garmund could fit. Given Garmund's later marriage, my bet is on him.

 

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