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I feel like the other houses in the Westerlands weren’t given as much thought as they were in other regions so we get the impression (or Martin has made them by default)  that the Lannister’s have a more or less iron hold over the west

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On 2/15/2019 at 7:53 AM, Arthur Peres said:

Not really.

Greatjon draw steal in Robb's great hall and Robb thought he would be killed in his home.

Rickard Karstark betryed Robb when the tides changed.

Barbrey send as few men as possible and will not let Ned bones to reach Winterfell.

Barthogan Stark was slain during a Skago rebellion

Boltons are cleary not loyal.

Blackwoods had to be exiled from the north

Greystarks were extiguished after rebelling.

The Starks are/were the powerhouse from the north, if they were anything less than it they wouldn't hold the power for so long.

The Westerlands seems to be more loyal than the northem in general, besides the Reynes I don't remember any other house defying the Lannisters.

You give your own awnser back, the Westerlands were in total rebellion and chaos during the Reyne uprising, TWOIAF tells us that it looks more like the wild west, but The Reynes and the Tarbecks knew always right from the beginning the other houses would not have follow them overthrowing the Lannister.

Every region has his rebellious lords, but in the end the Power and loyalty of the most bannerman was always with the overlord. It is possible, but rebellions almost never triumph  in this story.

You give some good examples, but the Greystarks, blackwoods has not been saved or backed up by any other house against the Starks. The boltons seems to get the same faith. We only have to see if Dustin, Karstark and Umber are all more loyal to Bolton, than to the Starks. We can allready see the Manderlys are not. Barthogan is slain in one rebbelion with his bannerman against a little rebellious island. Greatjon and Karstark were not overthrowing or plotting to overthrow an overlord by their actions.

Rebbelious lords are everywhere through the realm, but it takes a lot to overthrow a house of an ancient rule!

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14 minutes ago, Seaserpent said:

Every region has his rebellious lords, but in the end the Power and loyalty of the most bannerman was always with the overlord. It is possible, but rebellions almost never triumph  in this story.

 

Sure, but my only point is that the North seems to be equal with regions about those rebellions.

We only have the Reynes rebelling in the Westerlands and even during that period Tywin's orders were followed by most of the other houses, when Robb put them against the wall we don't see anyone changing sides or questioning Tywin.

16 minutes ago, Seaserpent said:

You give some good examples, but the Greystarks, blackwoods has not been saved or backed up by any other house against the Starks.

The Greystarks if I'm not mistaken were joined with th Boltons against the Starks.

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1 hour ago, Arthur Peres said:

Sure, but my only point is that the North seems to be equal with regions about those rebellions.

We only have the Reynes rebelling in the Westerlands and even during that period Tywin's orders were followed by most of the other houses, when Robb put them against the wall we don't see anyone changing sides or questioning Tywin.

 

The fate of the Reynes and Tarbecks essentially put an end to all questions with regard to Lannister power in the Westerlands.  We know that Lord Farman was being somewhat disobedient sometime after that, but Tywin sent a reminder of the Reynes of Castamere and Farman meekly backed down.

During the reign of Tywin's father there was little regard for House Lannister, as King Aegon twice had to send armies into the West to restore order.  House Reyne was also the greatest threat to House Lannister since Aegon I.  It was said that Roger Reyne could have raised 9k had he given the time.  Tywin knew he had to put them down hard, and for good.  A lesson the Starks and Tullys never learned to their detriment.

 

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Thats correct, but i am not nitpicking. Some Rebellious lords against the majority of bannerman  who are with the Starks. Every region has some of those rebellious lords, but in the end the overlord wins the rebellion. If we look at the recent history which great houses were overthrown by their bannerman. The Tullys and the Starks, but both on orders (and help)of the king and some houses even went in open rebellion to the king thereafter. The other great houses like Hoare, Gardener and Durrandon were overthrown by Aegon with dragons. So at this moment in time great houses have loyal bannerman. The Starks still have more loyal supporter, thats the reason why Ramsey Married Fake Arya. SO if we believe Roose Bolton their claim is shit without her and the question is also; what if Ramsey did not marry Arya. Would an alliance Cerwyn, Glover, Mormont, Dustin, Ryswell, Mountain Clans and Manderly have overthrown them. My point of view is that even now almost all the houses are behind Arya and not Bolton. If the Boltons were overthrown. Almost all houses in the north would vote for Arya to rule the North. Umbers and Karstarks look very divided, but in the end are way to small to get any influence. Another example are the numbers. The boltons got onluy soem fake loyalty because they got the biggest army with the Freys together, but what if the Freys went south to the Twins or Bolton loses some men. Roose knows its done. The Northern houses are much more loyal to Starks than to anyone else.

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On 2/4/2019 at 11:13 AM, Lord Varys said:

@Free Northman Reborn

There are specific Tully men in the Riverlands which include only the men directly sworn to Riverrun and Riverrun alone can field fewer men than the Brackens, the Blackwoods, the Vances, and the Freys. That is a fact and it is a problem for the Tullys, explaining their relative weakness and inability to control their bannermen.

 

 

Do we really know that the Tully's can field less men that the Brackens, Blackwoods, Vance's and Freys?   The Riverlands is probably the hardest region to judge, and I think the top 5-8 Lords may be much closer in strength/traditional power than in other regions.  

 

I think that House Tully is still predominant, as being Lord Paramount alone likely provides them with the extra prestige and income to attract and retain soldiers if necessary.  

I'd group tier 1B as:   Frey, Mallister, Blackwood, Bracken, and Vance of Wayfarer's Rest.  

Tier 2:  Piper, Darry, Mooton, Vance of Atrantra.  

House Strong/Whent were likely on par with tier 1B at peak, but I don't rank them there as my rankings are more of a general 200 years/since conquest.  Harrenhal provided prestige, as did being close to KL and having highly visible appointments.  However, they always seem to have trouble defending their lands, and Harrenhal itself seems to be in a consistent decline as far as state of repairs.  I view them more as 'paper tigers' than real powers.   

 

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So, looking for some help here.  Creating a fictional OOTP baseball league based on Westeros.  Game allows you to change name generation file and cities/countries.  8 divisions of 8 teams - I'm generally looking for the 8 best houses to use from each region - taking some liberties based on names/what works.  So, who am I missing, or should I replace with another house (team/owner), or home park?  Or move divisions?  Team/House/Ballpark:

North: 1) Winterfell Direwolves/Stark/Ice Park, 2) Weeping Water Flayers/Bolton/Dreadfort, 3) White Harbor Mermen/Manderly/Fishfoot Yard, 4) Barrowtown Blades/Dustin/Barrow Hall, 5) Last Hearth Giants/Umber/Chainbreaker Park, 6) Karhold Northstars/Karstark/Karlon Field, 7) Deepwood Gauntlets/Glover/Deepwood Motte, 8) Rills Outriders(?)/Ryswell/Blaze Creek Bridge(?)

Vale: 1) Eyrie Falcons/Arryn/Moon Door, 2) Runestone Warlocks/Royce/Lamentation Park, 3) Gulltown Flames(?)/Grafton/Fire Tower Park(?), 4) Heart's Home Deceivers/Corbray/Lady Forlorn Field, 5) Longbow Arrows/Hunter/Longbow Hall, 6) Redfort Highlanders/Redfort/Strongstone Park, 7) Strongsong Silver Bells/Belmore/Glacial Flow Park, 8) Ironoaks Black Wheels/Waynwood/???

Trident:  1) Riverrun Trout/Tully/Two Rivers Field, 2) Green Fork Twins/Frey/Ballpark at the Crossing, 3) Blackwood Ravens/Blackwood/Raventree Hall, 4) Stone Hedge Stallions/Bracken/Stone Hedge Field(?), 5) Wayfarer's Rest Lookouts/Vance/???, 6) Maidenpool Sockeyes/Mooton/Jonquil's Tower, 7) Darry Plowmen/Darry/Plowman's Keep, 8) Pinkmaiden Dancers/Piper/???

Iron Isles:  1) Pyke Krakens/Greyjoy/Bloody Keep, 2) Harlaw Reapers/Harlaw/Ten Towers(?), 3) Hammerhorn Blasters/Goodbrother/Hardstone Park, 4) Old Wyk Necromancers/Drumm/Red Rain Park, 5) Seaguard Eagles/Mallister/Booming Tower, 6) Greywater Lizards/Reed/Moat Cailin, 7) Fair Isle Silver Ships/Farman/Faircastle, 8) Orkwood Raiders/Hoare/????

Rock:  1) Lannisport Lions/Lannister/Casterly Rock, 2) Castamere Red Cats/Reyne/The Mineshaft(?), 3) Crakehall Brindled Boars/Crakehall/Fierce Field, 4) Hornvale Unicorns/Brax/???, 5) Golden Tooth Nuggets(?)/Lefford/???, 6) Ashemark Smokejumpers/Marbrand/???, 7) Silverhill Peacocks/Serrett/???, 8) Banefort Hooded Men/Banefort/????

Reach:  1) Highgarden Florists/Gardener/Three Singers Park, 2) Oldtown Beacons/Hightower/Vigilance Park, 3) Arbor Vintners/Redwyne/Ryamsport Field, 4) Old Oak Leafs/Oakheart/Deeproots Park, 5) Goldengrove Rangers/Rowan/Northmarch Park, 6) Horn Hill Huntsmen/Tarly/Heartsbane Park, 7) Brightwater Foxes/Florent/Brightwater Keep, 8) Starpike Orange Cloaks/Peake/????

Stormlands:  1) Storm's End Stags/Durrandon/Godsgrief Park, 2) King's Landing Dragons/Targaryen/The Red Keep, 3) Driftmark Tides/Velaryon/High Tide Park, 4) Tarth Evenstars/Tarth/Evenfall Hall, 5) Blackhaven Lightning/Dondarrion/???, 6) Stonehelm Swans/Swann/Slayne Park, 7) Duskendale Diamonds/Darklyn/Dun Fort, 8) Greenstone Turtles/Estermont/???, 

Dorne:  1) Sunspear Rebels (Unbrokens?)/Martell/Old Palace, 2) Yronwood Guardians (Royals?)/Yronwood/Boneway Yard, 3) Skyreach Blue Hawks/Fowler/Prince's Pass Park, 4) Starfall Comets/Dayne/Dawn Park, 5) Sandstone Scorpions/Qorgyle/Deep Dunes, 6) Brimstone Blaze/Uller/The Hellholt, 7) Red Dunes Leopards/Vaith/Vaith Field, 8) Nightsong Nightingales/Caron/Singing Towers

 

Others considered/final cuts:  Widow's Watch Whitecaps/Flint, Bear Island Cubs/Mormont, White Knife Executioners/Cerwyn, Feastfires Oxen/Prester, Deep Den Badgers/Lydden, Sharp Point Swordfish/Bar Emmon, Cape Wrath Griffins/Connington, Rainwood Blue Storm/Wylde, Blackmont Vultures, Kingsgrave Assassins/Manwoody

 

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13 hours ago, Lord of Brewtown said:

So, looking for some help here.  Creating a fictional OOTP baseball league based on Westeros.  Game allows you to change name generation file and cities/countries.  8 divisions of 8 teams - I'm generally looking for the 8 best houses to use from each region - taking some liberties based on names/what works.  So, who am I missing, or should I replace with another house (team/owner), or home park?  Or move divisions?  Team/House/Ballpark:

It would be tough for me to exclude Harrenhal; I would use the Whents (or Strongs or Lothstons) instead of the Pipers. The Hoares came from Orkmont (Orkwood is a house). With the Martells, you could just call them the Sunspear Unbroken (likewise the Yronwoods could be the Yronwood Bloodroyal).

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9 hours ago, Nittanian said:

It would be tough for me to exclude Harrenhal; I would use the Whents (or Strongs or Lothstons) instead of the Pipers. The Hoares came from Orkmont (Orkwood is a house). With the Martells, you could just call them the Sunspear Unbroken (likewise the Yronwoods could be the Yronwood Bloodroyal).

Thanks.  I always screw up Orkmont/Orkwood.  I've gone back and forth on Harrenhal (if I should use/and if so what arms for uniforms).  Thought about Hoare for Harrenhal; but, that kind of screws up geography of divisions.  Like the Unbroken for Sunspear!  

I think my last spots were probably Darry, Piper, Estermont, Banefort, Vaith.  Any Omitted Houses that you'd replace any of them with (after Harrenhal)?  

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