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Who do you think the prologue POV will be in TWoW?

My guess is Addam Marbrand. I think him and the rest of Jaime's men will get ambushed either by the Brotherhood without Banners, or the Blackfish and Riverlander rebels, in order to free Edmure and maybe Jeyne Westerling. 

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My guess is the maester at Casterly Rock.  We will get an update on events in Westeros from the CR point of view, and witness the arrival of Edmure Tully and Jeyne Westerling.  It will also give us our first glimpse of Casterly Rock.

I have doubts that the BwB or the Blackfish can get enough men and arms to put together a decent rescue operation.  By the way, Marbrand and Jaime are a long way from Edmure and Jeyne.  They are under the command of Forley Prester, headed to CR.  Jaime and Marbrand are headed to KL (or were until Jaime ran off with Brienne).

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7 hours ago, Nevets said:

My guess is the maester at Casterly Rock.  We will get an update on events in Westeros from the CR point of view, and witness the arrival of Edmure Tully and Jeyne Westerling.  It will also give us our first glimpse of Casterly Rock.

I like your thinking. It would be cool to see Casterly Rock in the books. 

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19 hours ago, Nevets said:

My guess is the maester at Casterly Rock.  We will get an update on events in Westeros from the CR point of view, and witness the arrival of Edmure Tully and Jeyne Westerling.  It will also give us our first glimpse of Casterly Rock.

I have doubts that the BwB or the Blackfish can get enough men and arms to put together a decent rescue operation.  By the way, Marbrand and Jaime are a long way from Edmure and Jeyne.  They are under the command of Forley Prester, headed to CR.  Jaime and Marbrand are headed to KL (or were until Jaime ran off with Brienne).

Could be. Though I think there has to be something more significant happen than just Jeyne showing up, I guess  a set up for stuff that happens in Winds. Basing this on the previously prologues - GoT sets up the series, CoK establishes the Dragonstone crew and Melisandre, Storm of Swords concludes the Great Ranging and positions Sam and the NW for the rest of the novel, Feast sets up the Pate reveal, Dance sets up the warging stuff. (Latter two are a bit different but that’s partly due to the split book, non-ending stuff). 

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2 minutes ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Could be. Though I think there has to be something more significant happen than just Jeyne showing up, I guess  a set up for stuff that happens in Winds. Basing this on the previously prologues - GoT sets up the series, CoK establishes the Dragonstone crew and Melisandre, Storm of Swords concludes the Great Ranging and positions Sam and the NW for the rest of the novel, Feast sets up the Pate reveal, Dance sets up the warging stuff. (Latter two are a bit different but that’s partly due to the split book, non-ending stuff). 

Rescuing those hostages can be done in a way that it is shown that robb's kingdom (north+riverlands) is fighting back through the BwB, the witnesses to robbs will and howland reed and whoever loyal people remain. It is an important pov of  a faction of people we know nothing about since the red wedding and might be important if robb's will is going to be used.

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12 hours ago, divica said:

Rescuing those hostages can be done in a way that it is shown that robb's kingdom (north+riverlands) is fighting back through the BwB, the witnesses to robbs will and howland reed and whoever loyal people remain. It is an important pov of  a faction of people we know nothing about since the red wedding and might be important if robb's will is going to be used.

I don't think there will be a rescue en route to Casterly Rock. I did, previously, but others convinced me it was unlikely due to the fact nothing is mentioned about that kind of thing in the Dance with Dragons epilogue. Jaime sees Jeyne leave for CR in Feast, and sets off with Brienne in Dance. As of the epilogue he has been missing for some time - 2 weeks I believe? So long enough that Jeyne will be in CR by now. If there had been a major rescue like that it would have been news and mentioned during the SC meeting. 

Could still be along the lines of what you say though. We know Jeyne will feature in the prologue, so a reveal regarding Robb's will wouldn't be surprising

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The Prologue will be set at Casterly Rock, with Sybell Spicer-Westerling as POV. When she tells her daughter Jeyne Stark about the love potions she gave to her and Robb, Jeyne will push her mother over the edge of the Rock to her death.

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1 hour ago, Ibbison from Ibben said:

The Prologue will be set at Casterly Rock, with Sybell Spicer-Westerling as POV. When she tells her daughter Jeyne Stark about the love potions she gave to her and Robb, Jeyne will push her mother over the edge of the Rock to her death.

That would be interesting. What other information do you think we would get in that prologue? Since most prologues give us something to do with a future storyline, such as learning that Jaqen H'ghar is in Oldtown, or Varamir giving us info on skinchanging. 

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13 hours ago, Euron III Greyjoy said:

That would be interesting. What other information do you think we would get in that prologue? Since most prologues give us something to do with a future storyline, such as learning that Jaqen H'ghar is in Oldtown, or Varamir giving us info on skinchanging. 

Just getting a look inside Casterly Rock will be interesting. We may get a look at the Stone Garden, the Hall of Heroes, and many other places at the Rock that will help us understand House Lannister. We might lean more about Lann the Clever, and that could foreshadow future events.

We may get to hear conversations with various people of Casterly Rock that will shine light on the past and current state of the Lannisters. We could get tidbits about Joanna. We might hear their opinions of Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, and Kervan. We could hear about the current state of the Westerlands. The Lannisters were the first to mobilize - they have been fighting longer than any other house. How exhausted are they, how many men have they lost, how much damage did Robb do to them? Are they prepared for winter?

We would also get inside Sybell's head, and learn about the negotiations between her and Tywin. We could also learn about the potions she used, and perhaps about the magics her grandmother Maggy the Frog was capable of, thus giving us clues about the nature of magic in the East.

A Sybell POV prologue would be chock full of juicy infodumps.

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On 2/16/2019 at 3:23 PM, Ibbison from Ibben said:

The Prologue will be set at Casterly Rock, with Sybell Spicer-Westerling as POV. When she tells her daughter Jeyne Stark about the love potions she gave to her and Robb, Jeyne will push her mother over the edge of the Rock to her death.

What love potion?  I doubt that such a thing exists, or that it is reliable if it does.  Martin's attitude toward magic seems to be that it is poorly understood and not always reliable.  Also, I expect that any love potion sold by Maggy the Frog was more like the Westeros equivalent of Viagra, if it worked at all.

22 hours ago, Euron III Greyjoy said:

That would be interesting. What other information do you think we would get in that prologue? Since most prologues give us something to do with a future storyline, such as learning that Jaqen H'ghar is in Oldtown, or Varamir giving us info on skinchanging. 

One possibility is that it could set up continued rebellion in the Riverlands, and the difficulties that the Lannisters are having keeping power in Westeros in general. 

I can certainly see Jeyne Westerling becoming a focal point of rebellion, waving the "bloody shirt" of her martyred husband.

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23 hours ago, Nevets said:

What love potion?  I doubt that such a thing exists, or that it is reliable if it does.  Martin's attitude toward magic seems to be that it is poorly understood and not always reliable.  Also, I expect that any love potion sold by Maggy the Frog was more like the Westeros equivalent of Viagra, if it worked at all.

 

Love potions are pretty well established in-story. In The Sworn Sword, Egg tells Dunk that his younger sister Rhea tried to slip him a love potion to break up his betrothal to his older sister Daella. Cersei informs us that Maggy the Frog was well known for dispensing love potions.

More importantly, the Love Potion Theory fully and successfully explains all aspects of Robb and Jeyne's relationship, along with Tywin and Jaime's reactions to it.

Robb was a) Obsessed with being honorable, b) totally immersed in fighting a war, c) had never shown much interest in girls/women/sex, d) was wounded, feverish, and drugged to lessen sensory input, and e) had just found out his two younger brothers had been murdered. Hardly a favorable time for romance. Yet we are expected to believe that Jeyne comforted/seduced him.

When Tywin explains the situation to Tyrion, he claims Robb was his father's son, and Jeyne was her mother's daughter. He is implying that Robb, like Ned, puts honor before reason,  and Jeyne, like Sybell, is a scheming bitch. Yet when we see Jeyne, she is nothing like her mother. Jaime views her sympathetically, and states she is worth ten of her mother. In fact, she is maniacally, insanely in love with Robb. When Robb leaves Riverrun for the Twins, she can't control herself - three times she rides out to bid him farewell. Long after he is dead, she is still insanely in love with him, to the point that she will not give up the crown he gave her, and she ritually rends her clothes in mourning.

Sybell obviously told Tywin she would have her daughter seduce Robb to break up the Stark-Frey alliance, and negotiated rewards for her house based on that. In fact, she undoubtedly slipped love potions to both Robb and Jeyne, making them both victims. It will come back to bite her in the ass.

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15 minutes ago, King Ned Stark said:

In the even numbered books, aCoK & aFFC, the POV in the prologue is poisoned.  Not sure if this is coincidence or pattern.

I would guess it is just coincidence, but one never knows. Something else to look for I suppose. 

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14 minutes ago, OtherFromAnotherMother said:

I would guess it is just coincidence, but one never knows. Something else to look for I suppose. 

I’m inclined to agree, but I read that somewhere, about the even numbered prologue POV’s are killed by poison, and the odd numbered POV’s are killed by Others/wights.  

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On 2/19/2019 at 11:04 AM, King Ned Stark said:

I’m inclined to agree, but I read that somewhere, about the even numbered prologue POV’s are killed by poison, and the odd numbered POV’s are killed by Others/wights.  

The only prologue POVs to be killed by Others/wights is Will in GoT and Chett is killed off page in SoS. Varamyr is not killed in his POV. He slips in to One Eye.

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I really think it will be Sybell Spicer.

I mean, in my opinion, there's no one better. All the prologues have something to do with magic and they are built like short stories that they die in or die after their short story has ended. Sybell also knows stuff that we need to know (lingering minor mysteries concerning Robb Stark; the true loyalties of the Westerling clan; her relationships to the Lannisters) and she is part of the party that is heading west from Riverrun to the Crag and then Casterly Rock.

Plus, I would love to see UnCat get her hands on her.

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On 2/19/2019 at 7:23 PM, OtherFromAnotherMother said:

The only prologue POVs to be killed by Others/wights is Will in GoT and Chett is killed off page in SoS. Varamyr is not killed in his POV. He slips in to One Eye.

 

TBH, you can argue that he died physically, because he cannot turn human anymore. 

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6 minutes ago, nickdt said:

 

TBH, you can argue that he died physically, because he cannot turn human anymore. 

Sure, you could say that. But the statement I was responding to was that he was killed by Others/wights. Which is incorrect. 

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My guesses would be Maester Creylen, maester of Casterly Rock, Sybell Spicer, or Ser Forley Prester. 

Maester Creylen could give us some information on Casterly Rock and the Lannisters residing there, including if they're going to play a role in the future.

Sybell Spicer, like @Jabar of House Titansaid above me, knows important things that I believe need to be revealed already. Robb died in Book 3, this will be Book 6. It's time for some answers. And, like many others, I hope she dies.

Ser Forley Prester is in charge of the army bringing Jeyne and Edmure to Casterly Rock and he seems like a good soldier and loyal to House Lannister. If he ends up dying somehow, that would be a big blow to House Lannister's army. 

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