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I noticed yesterday that Milner was the only English player who started for Liverpool, albeit TAA and Sturridge came on as subs. 

Only last season we had Milner, Lallana, Henderson, TAA, Solanke, Gomez, Clyne, Ox and Sturridge in the England squad.  We seemed to have no problem meeting the quota for homegrown players.  Now Clyne and Solanke are gone.  Sturridge is out of contract in the summer.  Lallana and Milner end their contracts in 2020 and could very well be moved on this summer, especially Lallana.  

So even if Ox and Gomez can return at the top level from their long term injuries, and we keep Henderson for MF rotation (he got a contract extension), we’ll have just four homegrown players in the squad.

Hopefully we can promote a youth player like Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster (another with a very long term injury), Curtis Jones or Adam Lewis into the squad.  I don’t think Rafa Camacho will qualify, even if he does make it.  But I would not be surprised if we look to buy some homegrown talent this summer.

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Just now, Iskaral Pust said:

I noticed yesterday that Milner was the only English player who started for Liverpool, albeit TAA and Sturridge came on as subs. 

Only last season we had Milner, Lallana, Henderson, TAA, Solanke, Gomez, Clyne, Ox and Sturridge in the England squad.  We seemed to have no problem meeting the quota for homegrown players.  Now Clyne and Solanke are gone.  Sturridge is out of contract in the summer.  Lallana and Milner end their contracts in 2020 and could very well be moved on this summer, especially Lallana.  

So even if Ox and Gomez can return at the top level from their long term injuries, and we keep Henderson for MF rotation (he got a contract extension), we’ll have just four homegrown players in the squad. 

Hopefully we can promote a youth player like Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster (another with a very long term injury), Curtis Jones or Adam Lewis into the squad.  I don’t think Rafa Camacho will qualify, even if he does make it.  But I would not be surprised if we look to buy some homegrown talent this summer.

Not sure, but isn't the homegrown rule abit more generous, as in Robertson would fall under it (as a Brit), too?

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15 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Not sure, but isn't the homegrown rule abit more generous, as in Robertson would fall under it (as a Brit), too?

No, he didn’t move to English football until he was 20. 

I’m not sure what the rules are with the likes of Hoever and Camacho though who don’t currently have 3 years in English football under 21 but probably will by the time they’re 21.

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27 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

Not sure, but isn't the homegrown rule abit more generous, as in Robertson would fall under it (as a Brit), too?

Nah Scottish counts as foreign. 

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The funniest thing about Chelsea's 6-0 defeat to Man City is that I've actually seen them play worse this season, at least three times - Tottenham (away), Arsenal (away) and Bournemouth (away).

 

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Chelsea is a broken operation. they need to go back to the basics. hire a manager who will be regarded as long term. build a plan on what it means to play Chelsea football, and make use of their academy players. 

the team that got punished yesterday is full of talent. but, what on earth connects them? 

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1 hour ago, MercurialCannibal said:

Chelsea is a broken operation. they need to go back to the basics. hire a manager who will be regarded as long term. build a plan on what it means to play Chelsea football, and make use of their academy players. 

Wasn't that actually Sarri's brief and why he was appointed? 

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1 hour ago, MercurialCannibal said:

Chelsea is a broken operation. they need to go back to the basics. hire a manager who will be regarded as long term. build a plan on what it means to play Chelsea football, and make use of their academy players. 

I agree, but they have never done that. 

Chelsea's greatest successes in the Abramovich era has come with managers who played pragmatic, counter attacking football: Mourinho x2, Conte & Di Matteo. We had great success under Ancelotti, who had us playing a more exciting brand of football, but it was hardly Man City or Barcelona level. Eventually, though, Abramovich gets fed up of winning in a pragmatic way and decides to appoint a manager to completely change our style of play, such as Scolari and Villas-Boas, but neither worked and neither lasted a season. Sarri's style of play isn't working out, either, and he is even less likely to alter his philosophy, as he's even more dogmatic than Scolari or Villas-Boas.

After watching some of the football Conte's 17/18 season Chelsea served up, especially compared to what Man City, Liverpool and Tottenham were doing at the same time, I was hoping for a manager to come in and change our style of play, but I didn't think Sarri was the right option. Ideally, I'd have hoped we would have aimed for a manager that looked like a long term option, but generally, Chelsea don't look for a manager to come in for the long term, hence the token three year deals Conte and Sarri both received. 

I thought Chelsea were at a critcal point at the end of last season; we had lost our technical director midway through the season, we had finished outside the top four once again, key players had fallen out with the manager and wanted to leave, and we were about to sack another manager. That was the moment that I felt we were really starting to drift and the current principles the club worked off were failing. At that point, I felt the owner and board needed to sit down and reevaluate the long term plan of the club. Instead, we messed that up by letting Conte stay until the start of this pre-season before sacking him, and bringing in another flavour of the month manager on a three year deal.

Chelsea really need to realise that we our period of success may be on the verge of ending. What we never were as a team that looked easy to play against; we always showed up and gave a good account of ourselves. Now, we are starting to look like an easy team to beat. 'Score early against them and they'll give up.' Off the pitch, our best players want to leave and we aren't able to attact the same calibre of replacement.

The board, to their credit, did their utmost to keep Hudson-Odoi at the club, even though it means we could lose out on nearly £40m and lose him for next to nothing. Since he was kept, he hasn't even made the bench in some games. The board can't tell Sarri who to pick, but if Sarri isn't going to pick young players, which the club clearly wants, then they have appointed someone with different ideas to what they want do with the club. If Sarri doesn't pick Hudson-Odoi, he is going to want to leave even more, which the club clearly don't want.

I still believe the club need to sit down and define where they want to go. If they want to use youth players, appoint managers who will trust youth players. In terms of style, I think they need to stop wanting what Man City or Barcelona have, and adopt their own style, built from what this club has achieved success through, which is strong, hard working, counter attacking football. Despite our chopping and changing of managers, we have haven't gone longer than a season without a trophy in the Abramovich era, even if that hasn't always been done with the prettiest football. 

It baffles me, as a fan, that the thing Abramovic craves most that the likes of Man City, Liverpool and Tottenham has is that they play better football than us. The thing those clubs have that I would like Chelsea to have is stability, with managers that the clubs would surely love to continue there as long as the manager desires. 

 

Edited by Jordan La Cabra

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Sarri seems to be trying to transplant his Napoli side onto the Chelsea squad, with little success. Seems to be a case of square pegs into round holes.

Kante is kind of wasted in the role he's been given and it doesn't play to his strengths at all.

Jorginho I think has been found out as a player that you can basically stop Chelsea from playing if you take him out of the game. I don't know if he wasn't being pressed in the same way at Napoli or if he was getting more protection but its not working for him.

There does also seem to be a case of the De Boers going on here. Chelsea have a squad and history of playing deep, counter attacking football, relying on the pace and trickery of Hazard to nick goals. Just like when De Boer tried to come in and turn Palace into Ajax overnight, sometimes you need to realise that a squad is better suited to your Hodgsons and Pulis's and that its going to take a bigger overhaul to get it to work how you want. 

Plus there is the Abramovic VISA thing, Sarri complained he never talks to or see's the guy and I wonder how interested Roman is in the side any more. 

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That salary is nuts. I guess he's getting more of the money due to no transfer fee.

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Even in this fucked up age of transfer/wage fees and even though it’s a free transfer that’s way too much for Ramsey lol 

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Given Ornstein’s Arsenal connections it seems likely they leaked it to him and inflated the figure to avoid criticism for letting Ramsey go.

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22 minutes ago, Philokles said:

Given Ornstein’s Arsenal connections it seems likely they leaked it to him and inflated the figure to avoid criticism for letting Ramsey go.

Yea, other people saying 250k/week. 

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As they don’t have to pay a transfer fee, the amount Ramsey can demand in wages goes up. 250k a week sounds on the high side of about right. It is like paying 130-140k and a £25m transfer fee for a four year contract which would be pretty reasonable.

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