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3 hours ago, Relic said:

Uh, yeah you were.

Yes, but that was clearly because Hillary Clinton would have been SO MUCH WORSE! She would have been more of the same policies that didn't separate families, put kids in cages, turn our country into an international joke, benefit Russia, surround herself with the morally bankrupt and corrupt, and increase the deficit while enriching her pockets. 

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28 minutes ago, Matrim Fox Cauthon said:

Yes, but that was clearly because Hillary Clinton would have been SO MUCH WORSE! She would have been more of the same policies that didn't separate families, put kids in cages, turn our country into an international joke, benefit Russia, surround herself with the morally bankrupt and corrupt, and increase the deficit while enriching her pockets. 

there are good people on both sides...

 

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12 hours ago, The Marquis de Leech said:

"Died" was perhaps the wrong word. I meant that its underpinnings have been pulled out from under it (Keynesianism didn't die in 1973 either, but it was similarly compromised/mortally wounded, before Reagan and Thatcher came along). Certainly, neoliberalism retains its true believers, but the invincibility is gone - the "consensus" is over, and anyone celebrating the all-powerful market is not going to be taken seriously among the general public any more. The post-2009 era has been about figuring out what comes next - hence the comparison to the other intellectual interregnums of the 1970s and 1930s.  

Thanks, this is what I was alluding to.

The consensus may be over, but neo-liberalism is still haunting our lives. And yes, as I like to point out on a regular basis, contrary to what many on the right believe, right-wing populism and neo-liberalism are not mutually exclusive because neo-liberalism does not have to be globalist in nature.

And yes, there are some forces who will stop at nothing to prevent the actual alternatives to neo-liberalism (socialism, actual democracy, green new deal... etc) from being implemented. Can you imagine a world in which the common good would be crucial again? The horror!

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A stroll down memory lane.

When "reasonable centrist" didn't ask too many questions about the technocratic competency of Trump or his advisers. Evidently that is for Democrats.

https://ritholtz.com/2016/06/no-cra-not-cause-financial-crisis/

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Two of Donald Trump’s economic advisers, Lawrence Kudlow and Stephen Moore, have revived an idea about the source of the financial crisis that really should have been put to rest long ago.

In a column published and rebroadcast by many politically sympathetic sites, they lay the blame for the credit crisis and Great Recession on the Community Reinvestment Act, a 1977 law designed in part to prevent banks from engaging in a racially discriminatory lending practice known as redlining. The reality is, of course, that the CRA wasn’t a factor in the crisis.

 

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Yet none of these things happened. And they should have, if the CRA was at fault. It’s no surprise that in congressional testimony, various experts were asked about the CRA — from former Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair to the Federal Reserve’sdirector of Consumer and Community Affairs — and none blamed the crisis on the CRA.

 

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I have called the CRA blame meme “the big lie” — and with good reason. It’s an old trope, tinged with elements of dog-whistle politics, blaming low-income residents in the inner cities regardless of what the data show.

Now conservative sorts of people, theoretically how would the CRA even cause such a thing if you believe assets are always correctly priced according to a rational valuation / rational expectations framework? At best you might argue it misallocates capital, but would it cause asset mispricing? Uh, no.

So what's the story here?

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9 hours ago, Relic said:

Uh, yeah you were.

Fortunately, we don't have to rely on memory for this: all of the posts are still there. I called him a demagogue from the start to the end (here's a post from just before the election) and I started a long thread in the first post of which I point out that Trump (like most of his fellow populists) is a member of the ruling class who is only in this for power. It's true that after Sanders lost and the only choices were Clinton and Trump, I preferred the latter, but to refer to that as being all for him is a gross exaggeration.

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18 hours ago, Lollygag said:

Also, Gen Z is aligning fiscal cons/social lib and they're starting to vote.

Well so called "fiscal responsibility" might be the hottest new thing. 

It might be what all the cool kids are into.

That still doesn't relieve them of explaining their logic. Else one might say, "different day, same old conservative horseshit."

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Ds are behind the game if the message is moving to criticize fiscal responsibility. 

It's more about criticizing much of the intellectual shenanigans that passes for or gets couch in terms of "fiscal responsibility".

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42 minutes ago, Triskele said:

I see that Mark Penn has a column about Mueller's "abuses."  I resent Hillary Clinton for putting me in a position of having to cast a vote for a person who employed this creature.  

Anyone that followed the 2008 Dem primary should have known how loathsome a creature Penn was back then.  Her whole 2008 campaign was, ironically, full of deplorables - Howard Wolfson and Lanny Davis weren't much better.

23 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said:

Well so called "fiscal responsibility" might be the hottest new thing. 

It might be what all the cool are kids into.

Except I haven't seen one iota of evidence that it is.  Looking at the latest Morning Consult poll, the only pattern among "Gen Z" when you look at issue attitudes (see pages 65-109) is Gen Z respondents are much more likely to have no opinion on pretty much every issue.  All that suggests is 18-21 year olds are less politically interested and thus less likely to vote, which is pretty damn standard.

And, if you look at the "Reducing the federal budget deficit" item specifically (pg. 97), 46% of Gen Z respondents thing it's at least an important priority, 19% thing it's not important or shouldn't be done, and 35% don't know or don't have an opinion.  This is compared to 75% that think its important and 14% that don't among all registered voters.  So, yeah, this notion seems pretty well pulled out of someone's ass.

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4 minutes ago, Triskele said:

Oh, no doubt.  Obama supporters talked a lot about Penn in this space back then.  The most fascinating question about Penn is whether he's more loathsome than Dick Morris who worked for Bill Clinton.  Both of these guys are out of central casting.

Well, I'd say Penn at this point, but that's just cuz Morris has basically disappeared from the public sphere after predicting a Romney landslide in 2012.

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23 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Ok it's a bit lame but I didn't want to mention blackface,

You did though.

I'll throw this out and let ya'll sink your teeth in and rip and roar.

Who spent the time and money to research far back enough to find a photo in 1984 yearbook?

25 years ago. In 2044 you run the risk of being researched for social and political incorrectness.

Virginia is divided. Northern VA being in the hub of the Washington, DC, metropolitan area.

Southern VA in 1970's and 1980's had social segregation.

Still does especially if church services are considered.

Not an excuse. Merely a truism.

I want to reiterate what you say today, the pictures you post today, the tweets you tweet today may verra well come back to haunt you 25 years from now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Getting into political pogroms over events from the early 1980's? Especially in a state where racism to some degree is the norm, not the exception?  Well, that's one surefire way for the Democratic Party to snatch (near certain) defeat from the (likely) jaws of victory. 

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1 hour ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Yeah, since you did not chime in on what I typed I am marginally dismissed.

I din’t know you, I don’t see you post here. Do you think you are making some kind of profound statement when you tell people, the majority of whom grew up on the internet, that stuff stays there forever?

Most of the regulars are Americans. Do you think you told them something they didn’t know? Are you educating the Europeans?

eta f**king spellcheck fails, lol!

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1 hour ago, Clegane'sPup said:

 

Southern VA in 1970's and 1980's had social segregation.

Still does especially if church services are considered.

 

"Southern Virginia" is nowhere unique in terms of church services being "socially segregated."

As Martin Luther King Jr. said, 11 am on Sunday morning is "the most segregated hour in America." That still hold true today, and certainly is not confined to the South. Things have improved a bit over the last 50 years -- back then 97% of churches were overwhelmingly of one racial ethnic group, while today it's 86%. I really doubt if churches in northern Virginia are much less segregated than those in other parts of the country. 

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26 minutes ago, Ormond said:

"Southern Virginia" is nowhere unique in terms of church services being "socially segregated."

As Martin Luther King Jr. said, 11 am on Sunday morning is "the most segregated hour in America." That still hold true today, and certainly is not confined to the South. Things have improved a bit over the last 50 years -- back then 97% of churches were overwhelmingly of one racial ethnic group, while today it's 86%. I really doubt if churches in northern Virginia are much less segregated than those in other parts of the country. 

I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a racist bigot politically incorrect neanderthal.

What attracted me to this thread was "blackface."

The now governor of Virginia --- someone delved into his past --- 25 years ago --- found a photo in a yearbook.

That insinuates to me that some one in a political party was looking for incriminating fodder to feed the political agenda and flame american  racism.

MLK was a pacifist, I have read a few of his books. He rubbed shoulders with the likes of Merton.

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26 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

I'm not sure how to say this without sounding like a racist bigot politically incorrect neanderthal.

What attracted me to this thread was "blackface."

The now governor of Virginia --- someone delved into his past --- 25 years ago --- found a photo in a yearbook.

That insinuates to me that some one in a political party was looking for incriminating fodder to feed the political agenda and flame american  racism.

MLK was a pacifist, I have read a few of his books. He rubbed shoulders with the likes of Merton.

It was a right wing blog that propagates all things racist, white supremacist, etc., that did it. Deliberately, February 1, first day of Black History Month.

https://dcist.com/story/19/02/01/photo-on-virginia-governors-yearbook-page-shows-men-in-blackface-ku-klux-klan-robes/

Big League Politics is the blog's name:

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/

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48 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

The now governor of Virginia --- someone delved into his past --- 25 years ago --- found a photo in a yearbook.

That insinuates to me that some one in a political party was looking for incriminating fodder to feed the political agenda and flame american racism.

So what?

You want an equally profound statement? 25 years ago was 1994, not 1964.

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16 minutes ago, Zorral said:

It was a right wing blog that propagates all things racist, white supremacist, etc., that did it. Deliberately, February 1, first day of Black History Month.

https://dcist.com/story/19/02/01/photo-on-virginia-governors-yearbook-page-shows-men-in-blackface-ku-klux-klan-robes/

Big League Politics is the blog's name:

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/

Right wing, left wing or chowing down on the middle I dunna care how ya cook them. As long as the wings aren't spicy I be okay.

The Virginia governor is toast. That is sad. It is the power of innuendo on the peoples web site sharing platform.

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