Varysblackfyre321 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Let’s discuss which character you think is or isn’t a psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 1:30 AM, Varysblackfyre321 said: Let’s discuss which character you think is or isn’t a psychopath. Ramsay and Theon Stark come to mind. Gregor is a stupid beast who doesn't know any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth the raven, Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Being evil doesn't make the person a psycho. The slavers are the cruelest of them all but they're not psycho. It's not that they lack selfcontrol. It's just they don't care about the slaves they hurt. Ramsay shows poor selfcontrol, violent temper, aggressiveness, and therefore fit the term. The Psychos Ramsay Gregor Harma Dogshead Weeper The eastern mercenaries have many psychos on their rosters. Euron Victarion Theon Vargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell's son Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Quoth the raven, said: Victarion Seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Quoth the raven, said: Victarion Theon This doesn't really seem right. Theon feels at least some degree of shame in how he handled Winterfell and tried to a degree to model what he thought was good lord off the example Ned Stark-no Ironborn captain would whip one his men over raping a peasant girl that's from the place the ironborn is currently invading. Victorienfeels shame over beating his wife to death protect his honor, and shows disgust when people don't follow "the old way", for example he was enraged of the type of slavery that is practiced in Essos. If he was a psychopath he would not care about these things at all. They're bad people-don't get me wrong-but not psychopaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Psychopathology is society specific. Since none of these societies have any concepts of psycho-analysis or psychiatry, there can be no diagnosis of any mental conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I guess Arya because the author called her that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said: I guess Arya because the author called her that. Holy bleep. He actually did say that. Video link in the thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/7pyq3c/grrm_states_that_arya_is_a_psychopath/ He must not be aware of the technical definition used by the Hare test or is just using the common version of the word which is (annoyingly) actually quite different than the technical definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Smiling Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Also, possibly Septon Utt and Amory Lorch Nobody has mentioned Littlefinger either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Lollygag said: Holy bleep. He actually did say that. Video link in the thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/7pyq3c/grrm_states_that_arya_is_a_psychopath/ He must not be aware of the technical definition used by the Hare test or is just using the common version of the word which is (annoyingly) actually quite different than the technical definition. It's his intention that count. He intended her to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegon VII Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Big walder. I wrote a bit on it https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/144657-big-walder-analysis/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Also, possibly Septon Utt and Amory Lorch Nobody has mentioned Littlefinger either. Plus one on Littlefinger. Septon Utt shows remorse which disqualifies him. Also a sadist isnt necessarily a psychopath (or the other way around). Im surprised no one mentioned Varys but I very much think he could be a psychpath. One without perversions and sadism (like Arya ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sigella said: Plus one on Littlefinger. Septon Utt shows remorse which disqualifies him. Also a sadist isnt necessarily a psychopath (or the other way around). Im surprised no one mentioned Varys but I very much think he could be a psychpath. One without perversions and sadism (like Arya ) Reckon Roose is a psychopath? Or just a sadist? Or neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Reckon Roose is a psychopath? Or just a sadist? Or neither Psychopath and not sadist. How he treats Ramsay and his mother is good example: he rapes the mother and hangs her husband (”and on the way back my horse came up lame so, all in all a dismal day”) shows zero empathy and zero remorse. When she turns up with Ramsay and tells how her brother in laws kicked her out however, Roose has no intrest in making her life even more miserable - instead he gives her the mill and start providing for Ramsay - which is not at all how a sadist would handle them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sigella said: Psychopath and not sadist. How he treats Ramsay and his mother is good example: he rapes the mother and hangs her husband (”and on the way back my horse came up lame so, all in all a dismal day”) shows zero empathy and zero remorse. When she turns up with Ramsay and tells how her brother in laws kicked her out however, Roose has no intrest in making her life even more miserable - instead he gives her the mill and start providing for Ramsay - which is not at all how a sadist would handle them. Similar indifference toward the death of Domeric Quote A Dance with Dragons - Reek III "Yes, m'lord. Domeric. I … I have heard his name …" "Ramsay killed him. A sickness of the bowels, Maester Uthor says, but I say poison. In the Vale, Domeric had enjoyed the company of Redfort's sons. He wanted a brother by his side, so he rode up the Weeping Water to seek my bastard out. I forbade it, but Domeric was a man grown and thought that he knew better than his father. Now his bones lie beneath the Dreadfort with the bones of his brothers, who died still in the cradle, and I am left with Ramsay. Tell me, my lord … if the kinslayer is accursed, what is a father to do when one son slays another?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Similar indifference toward the death of Domeric Exactly. Joffrey oth is a sadist but not a psychpath because he likes hurting people and animals but he gets butthurt whenever Sansa isnt wearing his stupid moonstones or someone forgets that he is king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 There is no clear definition of what a psychopath actually is. Sociopath is an easier term to pin down. When I think of the stereotypical “psychopath”, characteristics of antisocial personality disorder are what come to mind. Such as a total disregard for right and wrong, a complete lack of empathy/compassion/remorse, and the overall view that other people are objects to be used to your benifit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Foot_Of_The_King said: There is no clear definition of what a psychopath actually is. Sociopath is an easier term to pin down. When I think of the stereotypical “psychopath”, characteristics of antisocial personality disorder are what come to mind. Such as a total disregard for right and wrong, a complete lack of empathy/compassion/remorse, and the overall view that other people are objects to be used to your benifit. On 2/28/2019 at 1:43 AM, Rose of Red Lake said: I guess Arya because the author called her that. She is that. She killed the old man in Braavos to further advance in her training. That man had done her no harm. She killed Daeron the crow and felt no remorse. The crow had done her no harm. She tortured Rafford before killing him. She is a psycho. She even goes through identity crisis like Norman Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot_Of_The_King Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 19 hours ago, The Transporter said: She is that. She killed the old man in Braavos to further advance in her training. That man had done her no harm. She killed Daeron the crow and felt no remorse. The crow had done her no harm. She tortured Rafford before killing him. She is a psycho. She even goes through identity crisis like Norman Bates. But how much of this is brought on by an actually psychosis of the brain and how much of this is just a result of a child experiencing massive trauma for a couple of years while being forced to do whatever she can to survive in a cruel world? Psychopaths are born not made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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