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On 2/26/2019 at 5:16 PM, Clegane'sPup said:

This is would be disastrous.  Mors (Crowsfood) price for joining up with Stannis is the skull of Mance. And a pardon for Hothor (Whoresbane).

 

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Don't we know from the Asha fragment that whatever Crowsfood wants is moot at this point?  

 

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Sorry, but I don't buy it.  Torren Liddle is a character that has not appeared at all in the story, as I recall.  It really doesn't make sense for the hooded man to be a nobody, because in that case what is the point of him being a hooded man?  It would be bad writing IMO, and I don't think George is a bad writer.

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2 hours ago, bloodsteel bitterraven said:

Sorry, but I don't buy it.  Torren Liddle is a character that has not appeared at all in the story, as I recall.  It really doesn't make sense for the hooded man to be a nobody, because in that case what is the point of him being a hooded man?  It would be bad writing IMO, and I don't think George is a bad writer.

Yes he's appeared in the story and appears to be a devoted Stark loyalist.He comes from this kind of stock.

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"Winter is almost upon us,boy.And winter is death.I would sooner my men die fighting for the Ned's little girl than alone and hungry in the snow,weeping tears that freeze upon their cheeks.No one sings songs of men who die like that.As for me ,I am old.This will be my last winter.Let me bathe in Bolton blood before I die.I want to feel it spatter across my face when my axe bites deep into a Bolton skull.I want to lick it off my lips and die with the taste of it on my tongue."

"Aye!" shouted Morgan Middle."Blood and battle."

That's from Big Bucket Wull,a mountain clan chieftain.But you can ignore him if you like because he barely features in the story either.

You can also ignore the lengthy passage upthread where I quoted Torren Little in the hidey hole.I made that all up,it never happened.Same with Big Bucket's speech.Purely my imagination.

You are correct in saying George is not a bad writer but you are a truly great reader.

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7 hours ago, redriver said:

Again apologies for my stupid answer last time but this part requires a revisit.Whoever was in that cave to meet Bran and party was clearly acting.He does not introduce himself,nor does he ask for any names.All very weird.

His response should have been something like "I'm Torren Liddle,you're Brandon Stark,and I'm taking you to stay in my holdfast until this whole Game of Thrones stuff blows over".But no,he makes some mysterious comments which demonstrate a knowledge of everything that's happening from Winterfell to beyond the Wall.Does he have an agenda?

That is acting,that is mummery,that is playing your cards very close.

And Bran's response would be, "We have our own plans, but thanks anyway."  They would need to take Bran's party by force, and keep them prisoner, and I don't they think they would be willing to do that.  Plus, the Boltons might find out, and then there is real trouble.

There is no reason for introductions.  Bran & Co are clearly traveling incognito, and I doubt that the Liddle wants to cause trouble.  The clans are clearly plugged in, so awareness of current events is hardly surprising.

And for what it's worth, I do not think that the Hooded Man is any kind of Liddle, or even a clansman.  

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7 minutes ago, Nevets said:

And Bran's response would be, "We have our own plans, but thanks anyway."  They would need to take Bran's party by force, and keep them prisoner, and I don't they think they would be willing to do that.  Plus, the Boltons might find out, and then there is real trouble.

There is no reason for introductions.  Bran & Co are clearly traveling incognito, and I doubt that the Liddle wants to cause trouble.  The clans are clearly plugged in, so awareness of current events is hardly surprising.

And for what it's worth, I do not think that the Hooded Man is any kind of Liddle, or even a clansman.  

Agree with all of that,apart from the last paragraph as you might expect.

They are plugged in,even beyond the Wall.But we know Big Liddle is a ranger there.

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2 hours ago, redriver said:

Yes he's appeared in the story and appears to be a devoted Stark loyalist.He comes from this kind of stock.

That's from Big Bucket Wull,a mountain clan chieftain.But you can ignore him if you like because he barely features in the story either.

You can also ignore the lengthy passage upthread where I quoted Torren Little in the hidey hole.I made that all up,it never happened.Same with Big Bucket's speech.Purely my imagination.

You are correct in saying George is not a bad writer but you are a truly great reader.

You seem to have issues.  But don't worry, I'm not taking the bait.

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6 hours ago, Azor Azai said:
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Don't we know from the Asha fragment that whatever Crowsfood wants is moot at this point?  

 

Has nuttin' to do with an Asha fragment.

Are you and I now gonna back up and reread the thread?

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32 minutes ago, bloodsteel bitterraven said:

You seem to have issues.  But don't worry, I'm not taking the bait.

Oh I have many issues but trying to bait or troll you is not one of them.I think I may have taken umbrage at the good writer bit.

Any counter that simply uses "bad writing" as a defence is inherently weak.A counter argument that uses text to challenge my theory or any component of it would be much stronger,say a suggestion from you as to the HM might be or a piece of text that destroys my theory.

That would in fact be welcomed.At the end of the day this is just a theory which is trying to second guess the intentions of a fantasy author.I don't base my self esteem or overall worthiness to the planet on whether I'm correct or not.

It's just a bit of fun really.

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15 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

@redriver I find it impossible to chat about your reply without regurgitating.

Now my puppy friend,does that mean you don't like repeating yourself or you just want to vomit.Or both?

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16 minutes ago, redriver said:

Now my puppy friend,does that mean you don't like repeating yourself or you just want to vomit.Or both?

I like the puppy friend thawg. :P Yes, repeating oneself get old. Vomiting, rather harsh. :love:

The hooded man is not the Liddle Bran met in the cave. My opinion, you know what opinions are like ---

Shyte, for Myrtle to be the Liddle dat man musta been in the know bout waxing.

 

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If I had to make a guess, I would say it is either nobody in particular, or is Hal Mollis or one the men with him, who were last seen escorting Ned's bones.  Given the lack of a POV inside Winterfell, we may never find out.  I'm not entirely convinced it is going to really matter in the end.

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14 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Has nuttin' to do with an Asha fragment.

Are you and I now gonna back up and reread the thread?

Pardon?  I'm not sure of your point. Mors is dead, what he wanted is therefore moot, no?

And you could point out that it is off topic in re to the HM, but you're the one who brought it up. 

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5 hours ago, Azor Azai said:

Pardon?  I'm not sure of your point. Mors is dead, what he wanted is therefore moot, no?

And you could point out that it is off topic in re to the HM, but you're the one who brought it up. 

Pardon? I was under the impression @redriver and I were bantering/playing round. I may have been mistaken though.

Thank you for sharing.

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5 hours ago, Azor Azai said:

Mors is dead,

Is this opinion based on a preview/gift chapter?

Part of the reason I am asking is because during the first read of martin's story I had to make a cheat sheet to keep up with the Umber's and their nicknames. I still refer to it.

Thanks.

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On 5/17/2019 at 5:12 PM, Clegane'sPup said:

Is this opinion based on a preview/gift chapter?

Part of the reason I am asking is because during the first read of martin's story I had to make a cheat sheet to keep up with the Umber's and their nicknames. I still refer to it.

Thanks.

In the Asha Fragment, his head is seemingly on the end of Big Walder's spear.

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4 hours ago, Azor Azai said:

In the Asha Fragment, his head is seemingly on the end of Big Walder's spear.

The Asha fragment? I'm still kinda wondering what this means.

Racking my grey cells I assume it has something to do with martin sitting in front of a computer screen and people trying to decipher what was typed on his screen?

Is that what you are referring to? Thanks.

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17 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

The Asha fragment? I'm still kinda wondering what this means.

Racking my grey cells I assume it has something to do with martin sitting in front of a computer screen and people trying to decipher what was typed on his screen?

Is that what you are referring to? Thanks.

That's it.You can find what seems to the consensus on the discovered text via Google.In a nutshell

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It seems a Frey is charging to battle with Stannis with More head on a spear.

Of course that may never make it into the book,he may have scrapped and rewritten it,so not exactly canon.

I've no problems with anyone bringing the Umbers or anyone else they think is relevant into this thread.Maybe I should have called it "What the hell is Mance up to in ADWD?"Because he an his party are seemingly involved in most of the northern intrigue in the book.

I certainly wouldn't rule out Rowan being the stolen daughter of Mors.Her reference to Lord Eddard is a puzzler.

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