Falcon2909 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Daenys Targaryen the Dreamer had a prophetic dream showing the doom of valyria. 12 years later valyria was destroyed. So, weren't there any non-targaryen valyrians who had same/similar dreams warning them about the doom of valyria? If they did then they would have likely moved out like the Targaryens. Or are prophetic dreams limited to only targaryen valyrians ? (i know the starks, etc have prophetic dreams too but this post is regarding valyrians ) Or were these dreams sent via glass candle to only Daenys the dreamer? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I believe that Dragonstone was already a Targaryen holding, even before Aenar moved the whole family and holdings there. I wonder if Daenys the Dreamer was on Dragonstone when she had this dream or if she was in Valyria. If so, the closer proximity to Westerosi magical elements may have given Daenys the dreams of the Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Uncle P Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Ser Leftwich said: I believe that Dragonstone was already a Targaryen holding, even before Aenar moved the whole family and holdings there. I wonder if Daenys the Dreamer was on Dragonstone when she had this dream or if she was in Valyria. If so, the closer proximity to Westerosi magical elements may have given Daenys the dreams of the Doom. It was a Valyrian colony, but not sure that it was a Targaryen fiefdom prior to Aenar migrating there. Dragonstone may originally have been property of the Freehold "State" and Aenar probably bought it with the proceeds of his sales in Valyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legitimate_Bastard Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ser Uncle P said: It was a Valyrian colony, but not sure that it was a Targaryen fiefdom prior to Aenar migrating there. Dragonstone may originally have been property of the Freehold "State" and Aenar probably bought it with the proceeds of his sales in Valyria. Yeah I figure it was pre-Targaryen because of the gargoyles/towers. If Targs had that tech the Red Keep would look more akin to Dragonstone no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Portnoy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ser Uncle P said: It was a Valyrian colony, but not sure that it was a Targaryen fiefdom prior to Aenar migrating there. Dragonstone may originally have been property of the Freehold "State" and Aenar probably bought it with the proceeds of his sales in Valyria. I believe so. Aenar sold his property and bought Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Portnoy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Falcon2909 said: Daenys Targaryen the Dreamer had a prophetic dream showing the doom of valyria. 12 years later valyria was destroyed. So, weren't there any non-targaryen valyrians who had same/similar dreams warning them about the doom of valyria? If they did then they would have likely moved out like the Targaryens. Or are prophetic dreams limited to only targaryen valyrians ? (i know the starks, etc have prophetic dreams too but this post is regarding valyrians ) Or were these dreams sent via glass candle to only Daenys the dreamer? Thoughts? Daenerys seems to have this talent as well. I'm guessing the dreaming talent is very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Uncle P Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Legitimate_Bastard said: Yeah I figure it was pre-Targaryen because of the gargoyles/towers. If Targs had that tech the Red Keep would look more akin to Dragonstone no? And if they did might have built Valyrian roads in Westeros too. The Targaryens were not the top tier of the 40 Valaryian dragonlords families, I'm guessing there was a caste system of sorts even among the Dragonlords. The top tier houses may have specialised in sorcery or construction, as well as being dragonlords. Which keeps the need to wed brother to sister more than just breeding more dragonlords... Wonder what the original colonisers intentions was with Dragonstone? The volcano of the Dragonmont must have seemed a bit like the "home fires". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Falcon2909 said: Daenys Targaryen the Dreamer had a prophetic dream showing the doom of valyria. 12 years later valyria was destroyed. So, weren't there any non-targaryen valyrians who had same/similar dreams warning them about the doom of valyria? If they did then they would have likely moved out like the Targaryens. Or are prophetic dreams limited to only targaryen valyrians ? (i know the starks, etc have prophetic dreams too but this post is regarding valyrians ) Or were these dreams sent via glass candle to only Daenys the dreamer? Thoughts? Not that we know of. More might have taken the warning seriously had it came from more than one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karneol Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 6:17 PM, Falcon2909 said: Daenys Targaryen the Dreamer had a prophetic dream showing the doom of valyria. 12 years later valyria was destroyed. So, weren't there any non-targaryen valyrians who had same/similar dreams warning them about the doom of valyria? If they did then they would have likely moved out like the Targaryens. Or are prophetic dreams limited to only targaryen valyrians ? (i know the starks, etc have prophetic dreams too but this post is regarding valyrians ) Or were these dreams sent via glass candle to only Daenys the dreamer? Thoughts? We dont know a lot about Old Valyria. But like sombody mentioned before the House Targaryen was never really powerful, so Glass Candles were if they were used by House Targaryen they were used by most of the other families. The probabilit of only Daenys having this dreams is very unrealistic. Maybe the other houses were very careless about threats. I mean Valyria was the biggest empire that ever existed. They had hundreds of dragons, a very big army and were rich af. Most of them very snobbish rich kids that believed life was a big party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Did Velaryons arrive to Dragonstone archipelago before Targaryens, or with them? About the use of glass candles: it is said that with glass candles, sorcerers can see across mountains, seas and deserts, give men visions and dreams and communicate with one another across half the world. Seeing some distance is confirmed in that Marwyn gets advance notice of Sam´s approach. Does not mean sorcerors can see true future events. Any magicians with candles burning at the Doom might use it to see what precisely happened, from a safe distance, and send visions and dreams to others - but the visions would not be truth about future. They would be what the sorceror wants dreamer to see, and would not fix sorceror´s own ignorance of true future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Jaak said: Did Velaryons arrive to Dragonstone archipelago before Targaryens, or with them? They settled Driftmark before the Targaryens came to Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Cross Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 If they did they kept their mouth closed for fear of getting ridiculed. This story of the Targaryens reminded me of Noah and his fam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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