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So what was Criston Cole's deal?

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Cole has no right to express romantic or sexual desires after he has joined the KG. In fact, the man can be happy that his king didn't treat him the way he should have been treated - like Lucamore the Lusty was.

After all, I laid out above somewhere that chances are pretty high that Mushroom's account on the Rhaenyra-Cole thing is wrong with the possible exception of the Harwin Strong thing. As is pretty much obvious, Mushroom's claim that the Daemon-Rhaenyra thing earlier happened because she wanted to know how to seduce Cole was revealed to the king but did apparently not lead to a reaction from Viserys I. But he would have done something to prevent his daughter from trying to make out with Cole - we know/can deduce that from his reaction after Aemond called his grandsons 'Strongs'. He separated Rhaenyra and Harwin. So why didn't he separate Rhaenyra and Cole? It makes no sense, and therefore Mushroom is most likely lying here.

Also, it is a very bad literary device to use the same 'slut plot' twice. If Rhaenyra was once rejected by Cole when she tried to pleasure how on earth is it believable that as proud a princess as she was would try the same humiliating thing again?

In that sense - and in combination with Cole's treatment of Harwin and Joffrey at the tourney in addition with his lasting hatred of Rhaenyra herself - we can be very certain that he was the one very much in love with her whereas Rhaenyra did not exactly return those feelings. At least not to the degree that she would give up her throne for this guy, or only the life of a pampered princess at court. But she may have never truly loved him at all, considering she always had a thing for her uncle and may have ended up having a lasting relationship with Harwin Strong.

Cole certainly could have been Ser Harwin, no? The fact that he wasn't implies that he either was so presumptuous to insist that Rhaenyra must marry him for them to be together (here the fact that Rhaenyra was in a very bad situation when Cole approached her, about to be forced into a marriage she did not want) or Rhaenyra definitely did never make him the offer she may have made to Harwin.

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9 hours ago, Eltharion21 said:

By statement in your second paragraph you are basically saying Cersei also had done great job, which isn't correct at all judging by the War of the Five Kings.

No, Robert did in spite of all Cersei’s efforts.

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8 minutes ago, TwiceBorn said:

No, Robert did in spite of all Cersei’s efforts.

Care to explain how Robert managed to do good job regarding succession? 

Edited by Eltharion21

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15 hours ago, Eltharion21 said:

Care to explain how Robert managed to do good job regarding succession? 

Has more heirs than his enemies can find and kill off.

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2 hours ago, TwiceBorn said:

Has more heirs than his enemies can find and kill off.

In the books only of his progeny that could be considered as valid heir is Edric Storm since he was recognized by the King.

His other bastards like Gendry or Mya have no lot of benefit being that, only target on their forehead. Not that the reason is their claim, but because  their physical appearance damages claim of Jofferey, Tommen and Myrcella.

Creating bastards, but trying to put them as trueborn heirs to the Iron Throne is actually more similar to what Cersei is doing, than making abundant number of illegitimate children among lower class of Westerosi.

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19 hours ago, Eltharion21 said:

In the books only of his progeny that could be considered as valid heir is Edric Storm since he was recognized by the King.

His other bastards like Gendry or Mya have no lot of benefit being that, only target on their forehead. Not that the reason is their claim, but because  their physical appearance damages claim of Jofferey, Tommen and Myrcella.

There is a recognized heir and claim of J, T and M is damaged. Good job Robert.

End of offtop.

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I can't understand why Cole gets three pages worth of thread.

Answer is: He hated women and got what he deserved. End.

The rest is window dressing.

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