Fragile Bird Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Holy smokes, I’m just hearing the details about the college admissions scandal. No wonder, honestly, the 1% - ers love Trump, no matter what scum bag things he does, because they know what scum bags they are. The coach of the woman’s soccer team at Yale took a $400,000 bribe to ‘recruit’ the daughter of a rich parent for the team, just one example. 33 parents have been charged, including actress Felicity Huffman. Between 2011 and 2018 more than $25 M in bribes was paid out to get kids into Yale, Stanford, Georgetown and other elite schools. Since Trump had Cohen threaten his high school and university regarding his academic records, one wonders how much his dad paid to get him in. We all know the rich did things like donate huge amounts of money, even entire buildings, to universities to make sure their children were favored, but at least those were donations that helped all students. These guys cut to the chase, fuck socially redeeming donations, and just made bribes. WTF doesn’t even begin to describe what I feel right now. eta: no wonder ‘drain the swamp’ resonates with people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Holy smokes, I’m just hearing the details about the college admissions scandal. No wonder, honestly, the 1% - ers love Trump, no matter what scum bag things he does, because they know what scum bags they are. The coach of the woman’s soccer team at Yale took a $400,000 bribe to ‘recruit’ the daughter of a rich parent for the team, just one example. 33 parents have been charged, including actress Felicity Huffman. Between 2011 and 2018 more than $25 M in bribes was paid out to get kids into Yale, Stanford, Georgetown and other elite schools. Since Trump had Cohen threaten his high school and university regarding his academic records, one wonders how much his dad paid to get him in. We all know the rich did things like donate huge amounts of money, even entire buildings, to universities to make sure their children were favored, but at least those were donations that helped all students. These guys cut to the chase, fuck socially redeeming donations, and just made bribes. WTF doesn’t even begin to describe what I feel right now. eta: no wonder ‘drain the swamp’ resonates with people Birdie I am surprised that you are surprised. Just look at Dubya. Has anyone ever thought that he got into Yale and graduated on his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Since Trump had Cohen threaten his high school and university regarding his academic records, one wonders how much his dad paid to get him in. Is there any doubt that Trump’s dad paid for him to get into Penn? I’m more interested in finding out if Trump bribed or bullied a classmate into writing his papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Look, we’ve always known about the donation route the rich have used to get their kids in. And since the universities are, in many cases, private institutions, we can understand the children of alumni are favored, even if they are idiots. But how much the rich get their way and how money corrupts everyone is quite the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Is there any doubt that Trump’s dad paid for him to get into Penn? I’m more interested in finding out if Trump bribed or bullied a classmate into writing his papers. The FBI guy at the press conference said the investigation arose out of another investigation they were doing. I was just day dreaming about Cohen having either records of hush money payments to students or threatening letters that the FBI decided to follow up on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Altherion said: I do agree with you that Speaker Pelosi is being clever: with the evidence publicly available right now, the vote will be split along party lines which means the House would impeach, but the Senate would acquit and this worked out badly for the impeachers the last time around. I don't know if basic common sense passes for clever these days. Although thinking about it, I guess so. 6 hours ago, Morpheus said: You hold televised hearings on impeachment, lay out all the crimes, corruption and failings of Trump, even if he is not removed from office, Republicans are forced to sign off on all of it explicitly, dropping the charade and openly declaring themselves a criminal organization. At the very least there is an attempt restore democratic norms. Trump’s base will be energized no matter what come election time, he suffers no consequences no matter what, the alternative to impeachment is to be complicit though inaction and ineffectiveness. This calculus completely ignores the last time a president was impeached, which caused the opposition party to lose seats in the House during a midterm for the first time since WWII. Impeachment without conviction is very unlikely to change anyone's perceptions of Trump. It could, however, convince swing voters that the Democratic majority isn't interested in actually legislating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: The FBI guy at the press conference said the investigation arose out of another investigation they were doing. I was just day dreaming about Cohen having either records of hush money payments to students or threatening letters that the FBI decided to follow up on! Too long ago. Doubt it has anything to do with Cohen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mexal said: Too long ago. Doubt it has anything to do with Cohen. Although as this reminded us, literally every extant scandal can be traced back to Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mexal said: Too long ago. Doubt it has anything to do with Cohen. That is the flaw. However, Cohen sent letters to the schools back in 2011, when Trump was demanding that Obama reveal his college marks, so he might have also have sent threatening letters to someone who wrote his exams for him, right? Threats could be investigated. And they investigated back to 2011, which is a karmic coincidence that makes me wish I read tea leaves, instead of, maybe, limitation periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, DMC said: Although as this reminded us, literally every extant scandal can be traced back to Trump. I've missed something here. Yang hasn't owned the spa since 2013 and wasn't charged. Why does the connection matter outside of the political connections to China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Cuz it's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, DMC said: Although as this reminded us, literally every extant scandal can be traced back to Trump. 2 minutes ago, Mexal said: I've missed something here. Yang hasn't owned the spa since 2013 and wasn't charged. Why does the connection matter outside of the political connections to China? Seriously, she started a new business, telling people she could arrange for meetings with Trump. And some of those people could have been foreigners, so totally illegal to ask for money to meet the prez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said: Seriously, she started a new business, telling people she could arrange for meetings with Trump. And some of those people could have been foreigners, so totally illegal to ask for money to meet the prez. I get this. But it's not the sex trafficking or prostitution that seems to be alluded by tying her to the spa even though it was 6 years ago when she owned it. What she did is exactly what every other Trump acquaintance has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Altherion said: Can they do that? As far as I can tell, if the House votes to impeach, the Senate must try the impeached official. I do agree with you that Speaker Pelosi is being clever: with the evidence publicly available right now, the vote will be split along party lines which means the House would impeach, but the Senate would acquit and this worked out badly for the impeachers the last time around. Um.... weren't the impeachers rewarded full govt control for 6 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, aceluby said: Um.... weren't the impeachers rewarded full govt control for 6 years? The immediate reward was losing 4 seats in the House, which again was unprecedented in the modern era. Then 2000 happened - where they barely "won" the presidency. Also, btw, they did not have Senate control from June 6, 2001 until the 2002 midterms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Wish the media would adhere to this. Same thing with Omar. I'm tired of all democrats in Congress being lumped in with AOC and Omar on literally everything. AOC is vocal, media writes about her 24/7 and boom, all Dems are socialists. Omar is vocal, media writes about her 24/7 and boom, all Dems are antisemites. I get a lot is driven by conservative media but like everything with conservative media, the main stream picks up on it and turns something that's nothing into a major, never ending, deal. Media hasn't learned any lessons from previous years because it is entirely driven by Twitter and FoxNews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mexal said: I've missed something here. Yang hasn't owned the spa since 2013 and wasn't charged. Why does the connection matter outside of the political connections to China? She sold the spa chain in question but I read somewhere that she still owns other, similar spas. I doubt the business model changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, DMC said: The immediate reward was losing 4 seats in the House, which again was unprecedented in the modern era. Then 2000 happened - where they barely "won" the presidency. Also, btw, they did not have Senate control from June 6, 2001 until the 2002 midterms. Right... so it may have hurt in the short term in order to sell themselves better as the party of family values for over a decade, and was still being used as ammunition as recently as 2016 against Hillary. At best you could say it was a wash, but I'd put the move as clearly benefitting the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, DanteGabriel said: She sold the spa chain in question but I read somewhere that she still owns other, similar spas. I doubt the business model changed. Right but you don't know that. The Feds, who had this undercover spin operation going for a year, didn't indict her.. So it's being assumed and implied Trump is rubbing shoulders with a sex trafficker which is the point I'm making. She's selling influence which every former Trump acquaintance is but that doesn't have anything to do with the former ownership of the spa in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, aceluby said: At best you could say it was a wash, but I'd put the move as clearly benefitting the GOP. No, the move clearly hurt the GOP. Gore ran away from Clinton in 2000, and that's been demonstrated to have been a mistake, which runs contrary to your argument. Then 9/11 happened, so I don't think we can attribute much else of what happened in party politics to the impeachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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