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The First Law Re-Read Volume II - rereads are a dish best served cold

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I agree it's weird how some aspects are remembered vividly while others aren't. I was just wondering yesterday what happens to grim as i know he isn't in heroes.

I enjoyed logen and shivers first meeting. Also nicely done how the first graphic description of logen being a piece of shit is revealed once he's back among the northmen. Dismembering shivers brother and sticking his head on a pole when it was supposed to be a surrender is a dark deed.

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1 hour ago, red snow said:

I agree it's weird how some aspects are remembered vividly while others aren't. I was just wondering yesterday what happens to grim as i know he isn't in heroes.

I enjoyed logen and shivers first meeting. Also nicely done how the first graphic description of logen being a piece of shit is revealed once he's back among the northmen. Dismembering shivers brother and sticking his head on a pole when it was supposed to be a surrender is a dark deed.

Not to mention, pulling out his entrails, first.

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3 hours ago, SeanF said:

Not to mention, pulling out his entrails, first.

And licking his hands afterwards.

The reread has definitely helped me appreciate how shivers ultimately shows himself to be the bigger man regarding his hostility towards logen. I think throughout the standalones I'd forgotten exactly why shivers should hate him. 

Is the murder the one that is covered in "sharp ends" ?

 

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4 minutes ago, red snow said:

And licking his hands afterwards.

The reread has definitely helped me appreciate how shivers ultimately shows himself to be the bigger man regarding his hostility towards logen. I think throughout the standalones I'd forgotten exactly why shivers should hate him. 

Is the murder the one that is covered in "sharp ends" ?

 

Yes.  Bethod thinks he's persuaded Logen to let him go, only to discover Logen's dismembered him for fun.

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1 hour ago, SeanF said:

Yes.  Bethod thinks he's persuaded Logen to let him go, only to discover Logen's dismembered him for fun.

I can only recall the bit where he emerges from his tent covered in blood in that story. Definitely lends weight to bethods claim a lot of the wars were logen's making

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1 hour ago, red snow said:

I can only recall the bit where he emerges from his tent covered in blood in that story. Definitely lends weight to bethods claim a lot of the wars were logen's making

Oh, I believe that whole heartedly.

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I’m trying to remember how Grim dies too. I mean i remembered most of them died but couldnt recall the specifics of how. West is just arriving at Adua though so guess I’ll find out soon enough!

i found that the stuff from Glokta’s POV i remembered better than anything else. Yoru Sulfur, Severard/Frost betrayal etc. Had totally forgot about Longfoot though

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1 hour ago, HelenaExMachina said:

I’m trying to remember how Grim dies too. I mean i remembered most of them died but couldnt recall the specifics of how. West is just arriving at Adua though so guess I’ll find out soon enough!

i found that the stuff from Glokta’s POV i remembered better than anything else. Yoru Sulfur, Severard/Frost betrayal etc. Had totally forgot about Longfoot though

Oddly, I'm finding Jezal is the character whose story I've remembered most accurately which is odd as I'd definitely rank glokta and Logen higher in my personal POV preference. I remembered most of what happens to West too. I guess Jezal has a fairly linear and distinct/traditional arc while Glokta tends to be involved in repetitious situations which, while entertaining and building towards something, does tend to be him politiking, interrogating and indoors. I remember the characterization far better than the events he's involved in.

Forgetting Longfoot has probably been a coping mechanism :) 

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15 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

Being forgettable is one of his many admirable traits. 

Indeed :)

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11 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

Being forgettable is one of his many admirable traits. 

That and..... how many toes does he have now? I can't remember how many got crushed.

He can be name brothers with Logen.

Nine Fingers, and Nine Toes.

 

Edit: I've been on hiatus from the reread since I kinda read The Last Argument of Kings and Best Served Cold a bit of ahead of planned schedule. Gonna start The Heroes when June hits. It's one of my favorites, so ya'll better be ready for some inane statements based on almost no supporting evidence when the time comes.

Edited by A True Kaniggit

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On 5/12/2019 at 7:09 PM, red snow said:

Forgetting Longfoot has probably been a coping mechanism :) 

Ya'll are crazy with your Longfoot hate. Being awesome is one of his many remarkable talents, and loving him is one of mine.

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2 hours ago, matt b said:

Ya'll are crazy with your Longfoot hate. Being awesome is one of his many remarkable talents, and loving him is one of mine.

Have to admit i felt bad for him during his torture. Must have more empathy than on the first read

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5 hours ago, red snow said:

Have to admit i felt bad for him during his torture. Must have more empathy than on the first read

The ability to cause others to empathize with his plight is just one of his many talents...

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7 minutes ago, Rhom said:

The ability to cause others to empathize with his plight is just one of his many talents...

Lol. I loved the bit where he couldn't even simply say "yes" when Glokta spelled out how he wanted short, succinct answers from him.

I'm remembering why i enjoyed book 3 so much - it's already kicking things off in the opening third of the book with a big battle and jezal becoming king. 

Crummock is brilliant, i don't know how i forgot the scene where he told them the hill was where some historical figure made their last stand and then told them of his horrific defeat. Isn't their speculation crummock's daughter is in the new series? If so she has already been set up well as she's definitely feisty and strong willed.

So, do we think bayaz poisoned/killed the king? Can't see how it was a coincidence he died at that very point.

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25 minutes ago, red snow said:

Lol. I loved the bit where he couldn't even simply say "yes" when Glokta spelled out how he wanted short, succinct answers from him.

I'm remembering why i enjoyed book 3 so much - it's already kicking things off in the opening third of the book with a big battle and jezal becoming king. 

Crummock is brilliant, i don't know how i forgot the scene where he told them the hill was where some historical figure made their last stand and then told them of his horrific defeat. Isn't their speculation crummock's daughter is in the new series? If so she has already been set up well as she's definitely feisty and strong willed.

So, do we think bayaz poisoned/killed the king? Can't see how it was a coincidence he died at that very point.

From the General Abercrombie thread:

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Blurb:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-Abercrombie-2-4-Joe/dp/0575095865/

War. Politics. Revolution.
The Age of Madness has arrived...

The chimneys of industry rise over Adua and the world seethes with new opportunities. But old scores run deep as ever.

On the blood-soaked borders of Angland, Leo dan Brock struggles to win fame on the battlefield, and defeat the marauding armies of Stour Nightfall. He hopes for help from the crown. But King Jezal's son, the feckless Prince Orso, is a man who specialises in disappointments.

Savine dan Glokta - socialite, investor, and daughter of the most feared man in the Union - plans to claw her way to the top of the slag-heap of society by any means necessary. But the slums boil over with a rage that all the money in the world cannot control.

The age of the machine dawns, but the age of magic refuses to die. With the help of the mad hillwoman Isern-i-Phail, Rikke struggles to control the blessing, or the curse, of the Long Eye. Glimpsing the future is one thing, but with the guiding hand of the First of the Magi still pulling the strings, changing it will be quite another...

So yup, she's in there.

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2 hours ago, Rhom said:

From the General Abercrombie thread:

So yup, she's in there.

Great. I imagine she will be a lot of fun with that father figure as a role model. I wonder if she can use the hammer now? And if the moon loves her?

I think the reread should prove rewarding as Joe loves to pepper the series with characters from earlier books. As he's been known to say, why create new characters when there might be minor ones already who can fill the same role.

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Posted (edited)

BSC at Cardottis House of Leisure.  Cosca’s point of view:

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He feared old age, failure, betrayal, and looking a failure.

Ahhhh... alas poor Nicomo... how prophetic a line. :( 

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10 minutes ago, Rhom said:

BSC at Cardottis House of Leisure.  Cosca’s point of view:

Ahhhh... alas poor Nicomo... how prophetic a line. :( 

looking a fool.

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1 hour ago, A True Kaniggit said:

looking a fool.

And old.  And a failure.  And betrayed.

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