starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 i bet she is a little upset because she thinks hes lying. she wont kill him because she does love and care about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 hours ago, btfu806 said: To just play devil's advocate, she then hears from Jon hours later about his parents and her first thought goes to his claim on the Iron Throne over hers. We will see if she is a tyrant or not, only time will tell. But she obviously cares more about the throne than anything else. And if she has to pick between love and the throne, right now (and it could definitely change) it's the throne. I honestly believe she told that story to Sansa to try to get her on her side, especially with how things ended between them in that scene. for past seven seasons all she cared about was getting the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakin1013 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 This forum started out discussing Jon faction vs Dany faction and their throne futures. Several decisions have been discussed but not all. We have - 1. Dany takes the throne, not Jon (Jon is dead, doesn't want to rule, whatever) 2. Jon takes the throne, not Dany (Dany is dead, doesn't want to rule, whatever) 3 .Jon and Dany take the throne, together and rule together But Maybe .... 4. Jon and Dany do not take the throne, together. After this war, they depart for a home with a red door and a lemon tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 hours ago, tinyskeeveuk said: Haha. Now who's cherry picking? It hasn't just been this season that she's more tyrant than hero, but last season also: She burned the Tarly men alive when they wouldn't bend the knee. She forced John to bend the knee, refusing to see him as an equal because she sees it as her right to rule the entire seven kingdoms. She is going for absolute monarch with no election, and has used fear to force people to her way (the absolute definition of tyrant...) She's continually blaming others around her for her decisions. Yes, they might be there to advise her but ultimately she's the decision maker. A tyrant blames others. She enjoyed that her dragons scared the smallfolk She used her dragons as a threat (i.e. they eat anything they want) Yes, she might be fighting Jon's war, but she's not doing it for the good of her heart. She understands that a ruler needs people to rule. There is no doubt that she is walking the line between tyrant (like her father) and a good ruler... but at the moment she is swinging more towards tyrant. The next few episodes will be the deciding point. shes always threaten people with her dragons its nothing new. she would likely be a tyrant if she was on the iron throne. we will have to see what happens in the last three eps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, lakin1013 said: This forum started out discussing Jon faction vs Dany faction and their throne futures. Several decisions have been discussed but not all. We have - 1. Dany takes the throne, not Jon (Jon is dead, doesn't want to rule, whatever) 2. Jon takes the throne, not Dany (Dany is dead, doesn't want to rule, whatever) 3 .Jon and Dany take the throne, together and rule together But Maybe .... 4. Jon and Dany do not take the throne, together. After this war, they depart for a home with a red door and a lemon tree. 4 rule together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 hours ago, King Jon Snow Stark said: Jon didn't say I am the heir. He said his parents loved each other and they loved him. This is happy moment for Jon. Yes he banged his aunt but he finally know his past. He doesn't care about the throne. He was stressed all episode because of her. He needs to dump her. Jon eventually bent the knee willingly. yeah he didnt say anything about being the heir or wanting the throne. he did bent the knee after she saved him from the white walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Snow Stark Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, princess brittany said: yeah he didnt say anything about being the heir or wanting the throne. he did bent the knee after she saved him from the white walkers. Doesn't mean she can stress him out after in his own family crypt! It's stalker-like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, King Jon Snow Stark said: Doesn't mean she can stress him out after in his own family crypt! It's stalker-like yeah how she acted was very telling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Cas Stark said: This is a plot point I am conflicted on, since both are kind of cliche. Jon has long been the doomed, secret prophecy prince, who sacrifices his own happiness over and over for the good of the many. Him doing it one more time to save humanity, make sense and is still a cliche. Dany, whose sole, driving purpose is to get the Iron Throne and has been since the very beginning, deciding, at the 11th hour that ruling is about sacrifice, and sacrificing herself for 'her' people would be a typical late stage turnaround, so also a cliche. I'm just not sure which of these cliches is going to happen, or both. In all fairness, almost any outcome from here on out would be a "cliche". What matters is the journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, princess brittany said: for past seven seasons all she cared about was getting the throne. Not true. She stayed in Essos to free slaves , and help people in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Everyone seems to understand the story coming full circle on many fronts, except when it comes to Dany, why is that? What did Dany want in the first season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Error-504 said: Everyone seems to understand the story coming full circle on many fronts, except when it comes to Dany, why is that? What did Dany want in the first season? To put her son on the IT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Error-504 said: Everyone seems to understand the story coming full circle on many fronts, except when it comes to Dany, why is that? What did Dany want in the first season? The same things she wants now, the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: The same things she wants now, the Iron Throne. No, she wanted to go home. A lot was made of the "red door" in the books as well. Her visions depicted her walking away from the Iron Throne (which was covered in snow, but war torn) and then being tempted to stay with her child, in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinscS2 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Error-504 said: Everyone seems to understand the story coming full circle on many fronts, except when it comes to Dany, why is that? What did Dany want in the first season? She wanted a home and a family that doesn't abuse her. That's what she told Jorah anyway: They both prayed for home. S104: Edit: Gah, ninjaed by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixi Penrose Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 hours ago, King Jon Snow Stark said: So Jon needs to die too? If he has children. He will use the Targaryen name since he is no longer a bastard. I would like Him to rule as a Stark. To come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter who he was born as, only who he became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Snow Stark Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Pixi Penrose said: I would like Him to rule as a Stark. To come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter who he was born as, only who he became. He has some proof he’s a legally a Targaryen. How would he start using the Stark name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 @Cas Stark 12 hours ago, Nictarion said: To put her son on the IT? No. In the first season, Daenerys wanted to go home. Viserys told her (and he was correct) that they cannot go home without an army. Why? Because the same people who took their home away from them and tried to kill them are now living in their home. Honestly y'all this is ridiculous. Daenerys' situation is almost the exact same as the situation of the Stark children. They all wanted to go home too. But they couldn't just go home because people had taken their home from them. They needed to become powerful before going home. Becoming powerful can mean different things to different people but it's more or less the same. The big difference between the Targaryen children and the Stark children is that the Targaryen children had it much worse That's the whole point of the story! LOL sometimes I wonder if some people are dyslexic and they are reading the same story a$$ backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jabar of House Titan said: @Cas Stark No. In the first season, Daenerys wanted to go home. Viserys told her (and he was correct) that they cannot go home without an army. Why? Because the same people who took their home away from them and tried to kill them are now living in their home. Honestly y'all this is ridiculous. Daenerys' situation is almost the exact same as the situation of the Stark children. They all wanted to go home too. But they couldn't just go home because people had taken their home from them. They needed to become powerful before going home. Becoming powerful can mean different things to different people but it's more or less the same. The big difference between the Targaryen children and the Stark children is that the Targaryen children had it much worse That's the whole point of the story! LOL sometimes I wonder if some people are dyslexic and they are reading the same story a$$ backwards. In the first episode you mean, LOL? She wanted to go home in 1 episode, even though she doesn't know where 'home' is. From 2-6, she becomes comfortable as Khaleesi, and doesn't appear to have any problem with her brother's plan to go to Westeros. After Drogo kills Vicerys, from eps 6-10 she wants to retake the IT, and she does for the rest of the series so far. Dany is a conqueror, not a home body, she's not going to end the show raising children and baking cookies. The dragon plants no trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLightning Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 17 hours ago, C.T. Phipps said: I'm kind of glad they're not ignoring incest is not a solution to anything. How so? They've already done the deed several times over. They've literally ran the whole gamut of sexual activities. They've already admitted that they are deeply in love with each other. What is marriage after all? Avuncular marriages (marriages between aunts/uncles and their nephews/nieces) is not all that strange in Westeros. Granted, it's a bit more odd and unconventional than cousin-cousin marriages but no one seems to flinch at an aunt/nephew or uncle/niece marriage like they do marriages or sexual relationships between siblings and parents/children. Plus, a marriage between them is the only way that the northerners would be satisfied enough to pay obeisance to both Daenerys and the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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