Corvinus85 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 OK, took another look at the battle map. Left flank shows the Vale, with a Stark reserve. The right flank show Stark forces. The center shows Targaryen forces, that means Unsullied, and the Dothraki are forming the vanguard in the center. The Mormont bear is shown inside the castle, so Lyanna may have command of a reserve force? We know Davos will be on the battlements. I love that the wight army is basically shown end to end on the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Are the WW supposed to surround Winterfel as the preparations show or is it just a full scale frontal attack? I guess we won't have a double wall Battle of Alesia there. Many viewers suggest a wait and starve approach but that's not really palatable for television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, btfu806 said: For those saying that the NK/wrights don't have any tactical ability. They did hold Jon and his merry band of men "prisoner" until Dany came so they could get a dragon. Grant it, that was D&D giving them that tactical ability. But they could do it again... The only tactical ability that showed us was the ability to stop and wait for the water to freeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State Trooper Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Brienne's one of the most popular characters in the show, so why not give her a starring role in the biggest battle of the entire series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfu806 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Error-504 said: The only tactical ability that showed us was the ability to stop and wait for the water to freeze. It was something..... haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 17 hours ago, dbunting said: I assumed Jon was going to be on dragon back. 1 hour ago, Corvinus said: While it would make sense to have a 2nd dragon rider, can we really expect Jon to ride Rhaegal in battle after one joy ride? And so far, what we've seen of the dragons is that they all kinda follow Dany without the need for individual dragon riders. Exactly! Are we to believe Jon can now expertly ride a dragon and command it in battle...after one ride in which he simply held on for dear life the whole time? It would make far more sense for Jon to be on the ground...so he'll most likely be on dragonback. Also, as has been said, giving Brienne command makes no sense but, hey, it's dramatic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Forlong the Fat said: They haven't really made show Royce much like book Royce. It's a bit disappointing. Book Royce is a bad man. But they haven't established much in the show that would suggest Royce as an outstanding warrior or commander. Which one from the books? There’s two Lord Royces in the books: Bronze Yohn, who is featured in the show, who loses two sons: Waymar, a Night’s Watch ranger and the first onscreen kill of the show, and Robar, a Kingsguard of Renly who is killed shortly after Renly’s assassination. Bronze Yohn leads a group of Vale lords opposed to Littlefinger The other Lord Royce is Nestor Royce, who is in Littlefinger’s pocket; he has been in charge of the Vale during Jon Arryn’s time as Hand of the King. His daughter Myranda is an acquaintance of Sansa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Squall said: Are the WW supposed to surround Winterfel as the preparations show or is it just a full scale frontal attack? I guess we won't have a double wall Battle of Alesia there. Many viewers suggest a wait and starve approach but that's not really palatable for television. Winterfell has the power of flight. The Night King would have to establish air supremacy before starving the enemy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 17 hours ago, Pixi Penrose said: What about Beric? From what I know, he fought at Pyke and was killed in the Riverlands by the Mountain. Then he commanded a ragtag bunch of bandits in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Angel Eyes said: They have a lot of things that they could do, like flanking, raising the dead Starks in the crypts as a surprise attack, even just besiege them and wait for the living to weaken as supplies dwindle, the dead might be eaten (no party like a Donner Party), and mop up the survivors. We see this last one in play in Season 7 Episode 6 when Jon and his little party are stuck in the middle of a frozen lake surrounded on all sides by the Army of the Dead. The White Walkers have waited 8000 years, a few months is nothing to them. So waiting for the living to die slowly might be entertainment. This time Jon doesn't have to wait three days or whatever for Danny to swoop by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Bournemouth Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Apologies if it's been said already, but why the fuck are they fighting outside the castle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, Bastard of Bournemouth said: Apologies if it's been said already, but why the fuck are they fighting outside the castle? I don't think there's enough room for everyone inside Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Angel Eyes said: Which one from the books? There’s two Lord Royces in the books: Bronze Yohn, who is featured in the show, who loses two sons: Waymar, a Night’s Watch ranger and the first onscreen kill of the show, and Robar, a Kingsguard of Renly who is killed shortly after Renly’s assassination. Bronze Yohn leads a group of Vale lords opposed to Littlefinger The other Lord Royce is Nestor Royce, who is in Littlefinger’s pocket; he has been in charge of the Vale during Jon Arryn’s time as Hand of the King. His daughter Myranda is an acquaintance of Sansa. The character is listed for the show as Yohn Royce. Although the tv version seems to me to be more of a combo of Nestor with Lord Puff fish Mace Tyrell as described by Olenna...a rooster just strutting around Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceBorn Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 53 minutes ago, Bastard of Bournemouth said: Apologies if it's been said already, but why the fuck are they fighting outside the castle? Because of Jon's ingenious plan of dashing towards NK, getting ambushed along the way and losing his whole army in the process. Whatever you do, don't give Jon any command. Onion Knight should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error-504 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Bastard of Bournemouth said: Apologies if it's been said already, but why the fuck are they fighting outside the castle? Because the women and children are inside the castle?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squall Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I guess GRRM had a bullet point where half the North's forces are lost. There are many ways to lose an army, why not throwing them away? I hope they go first for the WW, I'd even be glad if they lose forces towards that single aim. But I guess they see them all as individuals and first kill the wights before figuring out 15 minutes before the end that they should kill the leaders. Oh and an extra dragon dies too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jora the Explorer Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Yep....lets not use our superiority in cavalry to do a wide flanking manoeuvre and take the night army in the flank, while they are pinned against the walls of WF, where the impetus of a cavalry charge could win the day...... instead..lets charge head on into an army that outnumbers us so we risk getting surrounded, and cut off from retreat back to Winterfell when it all goes wrong.!!!!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Bastard of Bournemouth said: Apologies if it's been said already, but why the fuck are they fighting outside the castle? Because you can't fit 100,000+ men and 2 dragons inside a castle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jora the Explorer said: Yep....lets not use our superiority in cavalry to do a wide flanking manoeuvre and take the night army in the flank, while they are pinned against the walls of WF, where the impetus of a cavalry charge could win the day...... instead..lets charge head on into an army that outnumbers us so we risk getting surrounded, and cut off from retreat back to Winterfell when it all goes wrong.!!!!.... It appears that we have some fresh White Walker cavalry coming... But on a serious note with humans this would make sense. However, the dead are unlikely to panic and rout the same way real levies would. Plus there are what, a million plus undead who add to their own with each kill they make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darmody Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jora the Explorer said: Yep....lets not use our superiority in cavalry to do a wide flanking manoeuvre and take the night army in the flank, while they are pinned against the walls of WF, where the impetus of a cavalry charge could win the day...... instead..lets charge head on into an army that outnumbers us so we risk getting surrounded, and cut off from retreat back to Winterfell when it all goes wrong.!!!!.... Not sure how you imagine cavalry impetus winning the day. These are zombies who literally throw themselves off cliffs when White Walkers tell them to. Anyway, they dug trenches of fire around the castle. We don't want horses there. I don't think Team Starkgaryen has a retreat mindset. They're thinking Alamo. Except we know most of the important ones will escape and reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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